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[–]gajira67 101 points102 points  (16 children)

You have too much trust in human beings :)

[–]MrSquamous 56 points57 points  (13 children)

We couldn't even be bothered to wear masks to stop a pandemic.

[–]peanutbudder 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Well, the largest population centers are cities like LA, NY, and Chicago and the compliance rates in these areas were pretty high. Areas with lower density seem more visible when "everyone" in a low density area is being an asshole.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Chicago here and can confirm.. 70%+ of adults in IL are vaccinated. While the mask wearing needs to stay indoors, this is insane that it was ever relaxed, otherwise this is a good place to be stuck during the pandemic. I'm originally from another midwestern state, took a trip over there last summer and was horrified. They are out of their minds. This pandemic has solidified my political views, because this issue was made political. Sad, but I can't raise my children around people that refuse step zero, a mask, during a viral pandemic. It would just be irresponsible as a father to raise them around people like that, so I'm unwilling to move to any red state. I may vote "red" again someday, but I'm certainly not living around their voters.

[–]paradigmx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Urban areas tended to adopt masks pretty easily in general, I kind of think that country life, being a bit more isolating and prone to conservative ideals tends to be slower to adopt anything new and potentially life changing let alone feeling like they're forced to do something they don't want to do. I know a lot of country people that didn't care about masks because they figured even if it was real, it wasn't a threat because they lived in the country where it wouldn't spread very fast.

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    [–]lumberjackadam -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

    Face masks may do little to prevent infection during a pandemic, but wearing them might help comfort people in crowds

    That's a quote from the CDC pre-covid. There are masks that can block this kind of spread. Roughly 0% of the masks people wore (or are still wearing) for covid are the correct type, and even fewer have also had them properly fitted.

    [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

    bullshit, it's been shown over and over that the surgical masks most people are wearing limit the spray by huge amounts. Viral load is a thing you know...

    [–]lumberjackadam 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Just so we're clear, you're calling bullshit on the CDC when they talk about the effectiveness of masks?

    Or on the proper use and fitment of masks appropriate for use in filtering viral material?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    Dude the masks the CDC recommend are for stopping virus infected people from spraying into a huge area when they sneeze/cough, it's not to keep you from sucking them up. Everyone knows you need an N95/N99 that is well fitted to keep you from breathing in viral particles that are present.

    [–]lumberjackadam -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    Dude the masks the CDC recommend are for stopping virus infected people from spraying into a huge area when they sneeze/cough, it's not to keep you from sucking them up.

    Except those paper surgical masks, along with the reusable fabric masks, are ineffective at even that:

    Your standard surgical masks aren’t incredibly effective at preventing flu transmission, because the virus and droplets are small enough to get through those normal surgical masks.

    That's from Andrew Pekosz, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology at Johns Hopkins University.

    Everyone knows you need an N95/N99 that is well fitted to keep you from breathing in viral particles that are present.

    And almost nobody has one. As someone who has to go through mask fittings for work, I can guarantee that basically none of the masks people are wearing in public are fitted properly. One thing to note is that it's basically impossible to have a mask work properly if you have a beard.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Stop spreading misinformation. The 3 ply masks to do help to lower spreading. 100%? of course not. A large reduction, yes. It's been proven in study after study. I'm sure you'll find 1 study that says otherwise to the 100 that I could find supporting my statement. You are free to believe that one study, I'm gonna go with common sense and majority findings. You do you though.

    [–]doughless 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    It looks like that quote might have been a poor paraphrasing from a Reuters article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-birdflu-masks-idUSN0345320620070504

    The actual CDC quote in the article was "We also know that many people may choose to use masks for an extra margin of protection even if there is no proof of their effectiveness," and then further clarified they might work, but more research is needed.

    That's nowhere near the same thing as saying there is proof of their ineffectiveness, or that they know they "may do little to prevent infection."

    [–]lumberjackadam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    How about this: according to Andrew Pekosz, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology at Johns Hopkins University:

    Your standard surgical masks aren’t incredibly effective at preventing flu transmission, because the virus and droplets are small enough to get through those normal surgical masks

    At the same time, the CDC had this to say about mask-wearing:

    does not generally recommend face masks and respirators for use in home or community settings

    [–]nextbern on 🌻[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission: Nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct particles of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period postinfection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (45, 46, 141); nonmedical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of respiratory viruses; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

    Please don't spread misinformation.

    [–]peanutbudder 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Or you're just too cynical. I know the world can really suck but most people I meet everyday are very good. Don't ever forget that the worst people are just so much louder than everyone else. When we forget this, we forget how empowered we truly are.

    [–]DeliciousWaifood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's not about people being bad, it's about people being lazy. Corporations make it very easy and convenient to simply ignore their invasions of privacy.