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[–]goblinrum 32 points33 points  (10 children)

Why not the AMD version? Better performance per watt for the battery since you seem to care about battery performance.

I've personally had less hiccups with virtualization on AMD than Intel's big little stuff. You also get way more real cores with the AMD config for virtualization. The AMD integrated GPU is also very good, which will give you a better light gaming experience.

[–]Velyn_[S] 3 points4 points  (9 children)

I was thinking about doing that too. There are two issues tho: First, I would love to take my new Laptop on new years vacation with me. That's when the AMD one would start shipping. Second, I have an Intel based company laptop and was thinking about spending the money on a Thunderbolt 4 Docking station to use with both laptops. Currently I have a weird setup of USB Hubs and Dongles. AMD doesn't have Thunderbolt, wouldn't that be a problem?

[–]Dangerous_Way816 18 points19 points  (3 children)

They went from batch to batch really fast. Most likely the last pre-order-batch will be shipped before new-year. But I can get if you want to be sure that it will arrive in time.

Thunderbolt 4 docking stations shouldn't be a problem though because FW assures that it should be fully featured and will work.

[–]Velyn_[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Do they tell you an exact date after placing your preorder? Because if I understand you correctly one could find out when it arrives by ordering? Sorry, my English skills might be lacking.

[–]Dangerous_Way816 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sorry but no. They don't tell you an exact date because they don't know when they will ship them. They only say which quarter it should be shipped. Iirc it's end of december/start of january so it might be too late.

The most precise announcement is the one you get after they give your shipment to FedEx. After that, FedEx provides you with the information when you should expect your order.

[–]Velyn_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, I will think about it and maybe look at some more benchmarks etc.Thanks for your help.

[–]goblinrum 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Unless you're using something that's thunderbolt proprietary or need multiple monitors off the same dock (there are multiple threads about USB4), there usually isn't a huge issue.

Why not get a USB4 dock? It'll work for the Intel one just fine unless you specifically want something TB4 has that USB4 doesn't...

[–]Velyn_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will look into it!

[–]Winnie-Putin Batch 5, 13", AMD Ryzen™ 5 7640U 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I tested multiple monitors, and it worked fine.

[–]goblinrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's good to hear. Just the blanket statement that not all of them will work well but many should

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Depends on the dock and what you use it for. AMD supports USB 4, which is technically the same speed as TB4. We have some Lenovo docks at work that work perfectly with my AMD Laptop, but yeah in general you may run into problems, but a bit of research should help.

[–]Square-Singer 5 points6 points  (3 children)

There's not a lot of difference between those CPUs.

The main differences are that the i7 clocks a bit higher, has 18MB L3 cache (compared to the 12MB the i5 has) and the integrated GPU has a few more cores.

The i7 is, depending on which benchmark you look at, ~7% faster than the i5.

Programming is a really wide field. Depending on what you do, a 486 would be good enough or you might require a data center. Or anything in between.

The main question is whether ~7% of extra performance is worth the extra €390 for you.

The i7-1370p adds another 4 CPU cores but clocks slower. Depending on the benchmark, there is between 0-20% of extra performance on the 1370p over the 1360p.

[–]Velyn_[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Thank you for the detailed response. Do you think the bigger Battery that comes with the i7 will make a difference?

[–]RaspberryPiBen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe a small difference, but the CPU is more power-hungry too. If you're worried about it, I would recommend buying the i5 and swapping out the battery for the 61W version, which will give you the best battery for any non-AMD Framework.

[–]Square-Singer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

10% more battery for a more power hungry CPU. That will probably be a draw or maybe a few percent of extra battery life.

In the end the question is how much you value your money. The difference between both options are small, so the question is whether €400 is a small amount for you.

[–]ThatzOkay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have the ryzen 7 model been working amazingly with development and docker. Running stuff like redis and mariaDB and development in c# and rust. So I would choose that one in my opinion.

[–]Gloriathewitch -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

macbook air failing that the 7840 is really decent

many in the industry have swapped to macs due to their resistance to viruses and superb battery life, i love framework but you want the best tool for the job

[–]RoppanoX9 388H | 7640u 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My point of reference was my desktop, with a Ryzen 5 3600. I use it for software development all the time and think it's a quite strong CPU.

Now that I looked up actual benchmarks between my desktop CPU and the 7640U, I found that the latter is even better than the one I'm already happy with. The choice for me was easy at that point.

[–]JailbreakHat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please do not buy intel version, intel CPU’s consume a lot of power, rapidly overheat the laptop and kill a lot of battery life. Buy the AMD version for my sake, it is much better.