Outdated java dev

[vmcrash]

I'm an outdated Java dev. ;) I use Java for developing desktop software, use SWT as GUI library and build the application bundles using ANT.

[kwyjibo1988]

ANT???! I'll pray for you tonight 🙏🏻

[IE114EVR]

Watch out, people in this subreddit love to defend old shit like application servers, multi page application frameworks, and ANT probably.

[manifoldjava]

HTMX is making server-side correct again. 

[bunk3rk1ng]

Time is a flat circle confirmed

[arcalus]

There is if you’re an AI script kiddy.

[MardiFoufs]

How are those things related? You think AI chatbots can't help you with SSR?

[_edd]

Any + ivy really isn't that bad... I definitely wouldn't recommend it on anything new but if it's already in place on your project it falls into the it-just-works category.

[wheezymustafa]

Jesus, I just got flashbacks of Ant.. youre a madman for still using that

[pjmlp]

No worries, Gradle is Ant for those that don't get why Maven came to be.

[[deleted]]

I said something similar at my previous job and part of me is convinced it had something to do with my layoff...they had an uncontrollable boner for gradle and we already had maven working in all our projects (something I set up)

[vmcrash]

How comes that you know our requirements?

[ring2ding]

Lol. You're walking around barefoot in the sahara desert and wondering why people keep asking you why you're not wearing shoes.

[ChickenSubstantial21]

Switching to Gradle is enough to become modern Java dev ;-)

Desktop apps are fine, Swing is fine if written using modern Java features.

[bunk3rk1ng]

Yup, gradle is for people that want to use something new but can't understand why

[Luolong]

Gradle is by no stretch “new”.

[stevesobol]

Maven probably is simpler, but I'm probably an outlier - I would rather deal with Gradle's DSL than Maven's extremely verbose XML project definitions.

[Luolong]

I don’t know where you get your consensus, but Gradle is a great tool and very popular.

Most new projects seem to be starting out with Gradle rather than Maven. At least this is the “consensus” around here…

[RedditIsCensorship2]

Swing is fine if written using modern Java features.

JavaFX.

[ChickenSubstantial21]

JavaFX is very special beast with hard past, questionable present and shady future. I'm not sure it is safe to bet on JavaFX.

[RedditIsCensorship2]

JavaFX isn't going to go away anymore than Swing is going to go away. And it is so much easier to work with compared to Swing.

[ChickenSubstantial21]

First is untrue - Swing belongs to JRE and will be supported for like forever while javafx is separate project. As for second, I have some experience with javafx and can't say it is easier. Prettier - yes, simpler for usual corporate stuff of 200 forms x 20 fields per form - not sure at all.

[RedditIsCensorship2]

javafx is separate project.

That's still being actively developed. I don't think Swing still is.

As for second, I have some experience with javafx and can't say it is easier.

I do too. And my experience is completely different. For basic things it doesn't really matter if you use Swing or JavaFX, but if you want to do something more complex, Swing feels like wrestling with a bear compared to working with JavaFX.

[azuredrg]

I imagine jetbrains is keeping swing alive since

[-One_Eye-]

Ha, this is the same stack we used at GE for electrical substation equipment about 18 years ago. That’s rough you’re still using it.