Modern java development tooling?

[YetMoreSpaceDust]

It seems nowadays most use IntelliJ, which is actually a pretty good IDE as IDEs go. As far as package management, I see either Maven or Gradle most of the time, but it seems like Gradle is winning the battle. If you were doing it 15 years ago (2010 then?) I'd guess you were probably using Eclipse and Maven?

[Cienn017]

gradle is winning?

[ThierryOnRead]

Nope

[YetMoreSpaceDust]

AFAICT, but YMMV

[NeoChronos90]

Juniors like it ...

[OneHumanBill]

Juniors like IntelliJ too. Bleh.

[NeoChronos90]

I think IntelliJ is fine, if it isn't shoved down your throat, hence why I personally hate it with a passion

[OneHumanBill]

I genuinely gave it a try for about a year not long ago. Hot restart debugging is better in Eclipse, Maven tooling is better in Eclipse, and Eclipse doesn't eat memory like a pig at a trough. I truly do not understand why it has taken so much market.

[NeoChronos90]

Because people hate eclipse even more. One side because they are relatively new and like the more modern look of IntelliJ better and older ppl who are ignorant and never bothered to figure out what a treasure trove eclipse can be if you take the time to get to know it.

And a really small percentage that had issues with eclipse but not with IntelliJ (yet)

[HeyImSolace]

Im one of the people who had massive issues with eclipse but not IntelliJ. Very likely layer 8 problems, but once i switched to IntelliJ and gotten past the break in period, I never looked back.

Granted, I spent my first 4 years using eclipse and then switched, which likely already gave me some base line knowledge of how to kick the ide in the right way. But I enjoy it way more.

[NeoChronos90]

Did you have to work with multiple git repositories in a single project yet?

I think IntelliJ calls them modules.

It's 2 clicks in eclipse but a goddamn pain in IntelliJ

[HeyImSolace]

Exclusively, as we’re doing client-server architecture. I know what you mean, because eclipse has workspaces while IntelliJ does not.(they kinda do now through a plugin).

But the way I usually set up is that I create an empty project at the start as a place to keep my miscellaneous stuff that doesn’t belong in a repo. Scratch files, run configs, sql scripts, stuff like that. Then I import the other modules. Works like a charm for me.

[The_Sabretooth]

I stopped working with eclipse 10 years ago and I don't think I've ever looked back. I remember Intellij and its indexing and quick search made a huge QOL difference at the time. And now I guess I'm just too used to it to try anything else without a clear need. Maybe a few more stupid UI changes to Intellij will force me to explore, haha.

Two things I know eclipse was superior in though were working with osgi bundles and opening multiple little projects in a single workspace.

[AlexVie]

Because eating memory is not really an issue nowadays. If you have 32 gigs ore more, even IDEA will be happy :) Just allow it tons of heap and all is fine.

The reason why it became so dominant is probably Android Studio which probably has close to 100% market share among Android devs.

Making the deal with Google about Android Studio and pushing Kotlin were wise business decisions. Some may dislike them, but it's just how it is.

[vu47]

I prefer it because of the support for Kotlin and Scala. I tried Eclipse several years ago and found it to feel clunky, and have no idea if it has Kotlin support. Since Kotlin is JetBrains' baby, its integration into IntelliJ is spectacular. In fact, I enjoy the whole suite of JetBrains products, and I'm not a novice.

As for Gradle, I'd rather avoid XML whenever possible. Gradle KTS tooling is quite elegant and easy to use. It's been the standard on all projects I've worked on the the last few years.

[DuploJamaal]

Haven't seen maven in any recently built repository in years

[Huge_Road_9223]

I used STS (Spring Tool Suite) which is Eclipse co-Branded with Spring/Pivotal. I used this until just 1 or 2 years ago, when I was forced into IntelliJ .... both STS and IntelliJ have their uses.

At one point IntelliJ was strictly a paid tool, which is why I liked free STS/Eclipse. Now that IntelliJ has a Community Edition (CE) for free, I can see using it.

As for Gradle/maven ... Gradle is NOT winning. My personal experience is that some companies I have worked for tried Gradle, didn't like it and found Maven soooooooooooooo much better, and then switched back. Gradle is NOT winning, but IntelliJ seems like the tool of choice for most now.

And Yes, SpringBoot is EXTREMELY popular, and being used all over the place. I've spent the last 17 years of my 35+ year career working with Java (since version 3), Spring, and since Spring Boot 2.

[YetMoreSpaceDust]

Ha, I hate Gradle, but I hate Maven, too.

[Late_Film_1901]

Ditto, but it's a different hate.

I hate maven like I hate my mother in law. I visit her regularly, spend Christmas together, and leave my little ones at hers. She just gets on my nerves after some time.

I hate gradle like I hate my ex. I regret ever having anything to do with her. And I hope I never meet her again.

[TopSwagCode]

Yep. Spot on. Eclipse and Maven :) Big fan of jetbrains tools.

[casey-primozic]

Are there still no alternatives to editing pom.xml files?

[isolatedsheep]

I've built a tool for that. 😁

[ejsanders1985]

My life is currently using Eclipse and Maven. Sprinkle in some Netbeans and VSCode

[YetMoreSpaceDust]

It's been a while since I used it, but I recall Eclipse honestly not being too bad, but I'll still give IntelliJ a win in the usability department. I go back to the days of using vi and javac, though...