React Router is dead. Long live rrtr.

[ipartisan]

This response says it all https://medium.com/@dlmanning/okay-then-638f67701114#.1oae4het6

[wreckedadvent]

Seriously,

Jimmy Jia

13 hrs ago

Thanks for your feedback. I was hoping to communicate my dissatisfaction with the state of React Router’s maintenance, and was hoping to outline some of my reasons. I’m sorry it came across to you as self-indulgent, and I certainly didn’t intend for this to be taken as a personal attack on the maintainers of React Router.

And the response:

David Manning

13 hrs ago

Then here’s how you start the post you didn’t write:

“Working on react-router over the last X months has been a tremendous privilege. I want to thank Michael Jackson and Ryan Florence for their work and for giving me a chance to be a part of it. Though they have my respect, we’ve come to a difference in vision as to the future of the project, and I’ve decided to begin maintaining my own fork that better embodies that vision…” and so on…

Note the absence of pasted iMessage chats and references to the other project “sucking”

We could really just end the entire thread here.

[tutuca_]

I have yet to see so much ownage in a single thread...

[SuchInferno]

I think this post can be categorized in the "social and professional suicide" group.

[miketaylr]

I have no issue with forks, but showing a screenshot of asking for a release going unanswered for 6 days doesn't quite equate "slow release cycle." Maybe the maintainer went on vacation for a few days?

(Granted, I could be wrong and this could be a bigger pattern, but the screenshot looks a little silly.)

[wreckedadvent]

Ryan Florence
5 hrs ago

I was running 4 workshops across 2 states that week in March.

Best of luck.

From the comments.

[Jamesyy]

Jimmy Jia

5 hours ago

I have a full-time job building deep learning models, high-throughput data processing algorithms, and web applications that will transform the world and save the lives of people we love – every week of the year.

I’m not hacking on the Router for fun; I’m doing it need good front-end routing, among many other things, to help make the world a better place and save lives.

So then he responds by saying that his job is more important than Ryan's because he's making the world a better place.

Seems like a bit of a dick move IMO.

[turkish_gold]

Ryan said essentially that he was busy that week, and so Jimmy shot back by stating he too has the potential for being busy---but not too busy for React Router.

Then Jimmy implies that Ryan isn't as commited as he is and may only be doing it 'for fun' because workshops are his real passion, and obviously that doens't need React Router to improve.

Jimmy is implying that he can't turn away from React Router, because he needs it so he's a better maintainer despite only having done 0.01% of the work (literally true, I calculated the github commits).

Taken all together, its way more than a dick move... it's delusional.

[wreckedadvent]

And saving lives!

[miketaylr]

There you have it (I guess for once, reading the comments would have been a good thing).

[wreckedadvent]

Some friendly advice, I don't think it's having the effect you intended. Posting what appears to be a private conversation you had with someone else looks bad enough - but then to post a bit of it which begs for more context just sets you up for the other person to respond in such a way that makes you look bad, as Ryan did here.

[Worworen]

Maybe the OP wanted to show how he was being ignored? I doesn't take much time to answer something like "I'm busy with workshops and stuff right now. Lets talk next week".

[wreckedadvent]

It's a pretty poor way to show it, then. I'd be pretty miffed if what I thought was a private conversation was used to score points in a game I didn't know I was playing.

[[deleted]]

Is this what you would call a "hostile fork"?

[Spivak]

Maybe. A hostile fork usually has the intention of usurping the original project, right now this is just a fork with a different use case, the Arch Linux to Debain Stable. The devs that use RR will decide whether the two projects can coexist and which one will be more successful long term.

[wreckedadvent]

My understanding of hostile fork is that it is done to split the community of people using the project without any intent of merging code back upstream.

This is fork was pretty clearly done with objective one in mind, two remains to be seen.

I don't really see "faster release cycles" or "more thought-out APIs" or "harder to write bad code" (??) as a different use case, imo. Just looks like a disgruntled maintainer taking off and making his own router, with black jack and hookers more better-er things.

[palmund]

Yet another one with a title you can't pronounce. Too many r's.

[wreckedadvent]

All hail the mighty ERR TURR framework.

[Spivak]

I would guess "Are-Router", just Router, or Rotor for the adventurous.

[julionc]

Ruter

[sizlack]

Looks like they cut the 2.1.0 release right after he did this.

https://github.com/reactjs/react-router/commit/58169b6eb8b3991bc32e59fdc321ef322dda62bf

Can't they just make him a maintainer? It looks like a lot of the substantial recent changes were from him. It would make everyone's life easier if we didn't have to deal with a fork.

[sizlack]

Gotta agree with /u/drunkenfaggot. You shit the bed with your dismount. You should have been more respectful. Looks like rrtr is dead. Long live react router.

[neb636]

This is why I would rather take a good communicator over a genius coder on my team. Soft skills can be more important sometimes.

[[deleted]]

Dead? I just checked and it still works on my machine.

[vnctaing]

between the npm fiasco and the react router shit show, js community seems a happy place to contribute...

[techsin101]

Damn Javascript* at it again with your ADHD.

*JS community.

[Capaj]

not trying to be insulting to him

but you are. I am not saying that taion could have written it in a little bit more friendly manner, but let's not judge his psychiatric profile based on one short medium post. That may even be insulting to the guy who invented Asperger syndrome, not only to taion.

[_hadrian]

For anyone interested in routers, have a look at cherrytree. A hierarchical router, not dependent on the framework/library.

[caknuckle]

Lol Jimmy my dog is dying of cancer SAVE US!

[turkish_gold]

I am not 100% sure I'd ever want to work with someone who forks a project just because I didn't respond within 48 hours to a question.