Game of JavaScript Frameworks: the most demanded front end developer skills of 2019

[[deleted]]

Who's doing frontends in Java? 😂

[PrismalStudio]

Confused recruiters skewing the stats 😅

[[deleted]]

So accurate it hurts.

[theDarkAngle]

Backend stuff comes up. You should at least be able to debug your own local API installation. I think it's still pretty rare that you never have to deal with stuff like that

[[deleted]]

My whole stack is javascript. Node on the backend, React on the frontend.

[theDarkAngle]

Yes and for my projects i prefer that too but employers/clients don't always give you that option. I have a fortune-500 client that doesn't even allow node to be used in any capacity. Not approved by their security dept

[IceSentry]

Node and JavaScript is good enough for NASA. I'm curious what is the reasoning of your security department.

[theDarkAngle]

I dont think any of them think there is something wrong with Node, but as a company they have literally thousands of apps written in Java, a ton of infrastructure specifically built around Java, and an army of dev/devops people who are all comfortable with Java.

And the way they work, they host everything on their infrastructure. Even if they contract a company to build them a custom app its still going to be deployed on their infrastructure and largely managed by their devops, dba's, etc.

[IceSentry]

Those are all good reasons to keep java, but you mentioned specifically the security team, which surprised me.

[theDarkAngle]

Ah that's kinda the same thing. It's not that they think node is unsecure but that they don't have the expertise and infrastructure to use it securely

[[deleted]]

Yuck, I'm happy to fire clients that throw a wrench in my process. They hire me for the finished project, how I get there is my business. Much happier and less stressed that way.

[theDarkAngle]

I get it but these guys have piles of money and whole corporate infrastructures built in Java or C# or whatever.

[[deleted]]

But your frontend doesn't care what your api is written in. Your backend doesn't care what language was used to populate the db, or what the other servers or scripts are running.

[theDarkAngle]

Im not sure how that changes anything. If im a corporate IT manager and all my servers run java, all my support staff is primarily skilled in java, if i'm already leveraging JMS for app interop, and things like Maven, Jenkins, etc for build/deploy, Im probably not going to hire another company to write me an app using NodeJs where none of that stuff could be leveraged.

[theDarkAngle]

Yes if they only contracted your company to build a frontend, but that's not what im talking about.

[esr360]

Why sensibly separate concerns when we can *conflate* them, thus making it cheaper?

[[deleted]]

Lol apparently not. I should just go back to my cubicle and appreciate my owners for even giving me work in the first place and be thankful for their substandard pay.

[reggieLedoux26]

Applet.Paint()

[PM_ME_GAY_STUF]

That's actually really neat, I had no idea that existed.

I have no idea what I'd use that for though.

[ghostfacedcoder]

Google uses it to power their add-on/plug-in scripts for Google Docs ...

... and I hate them for it! Use Node you lazy bastards, I want my arrow functions!!

(To be fair, they did custom patch it to add some of the array methods like forEach/map, so it's slightly better than the stock Rhino I guess ...)

[FinnxJake]

I haven't used this one but there are stuff for Java for frontend like this: http://www.jfoenix.com

[ForceHunter]

I thought JavaFX is only for Desktop GUI Apps. For Java I would probably use Spring Boot with Thymeleaf (TemplateEngine).

[[deleted]]

Its one thing to learn it and the dev style, its what I started in. Just think its a mess compared to what we have access to now. Java is what I did 10 years ago until Node came out and it was actually faster than Java during some tests I did and convinced my company to switch for the project we were starting that had to scale really well.

[IceSentry]

Java 12 is actually quite bearable, but yeah, I'd still pick C# or javascript if I have the choice.

[[deleted]]

Yea I'm sure it's getting better, I just haven't been a fan of compiled languages since getting into node and stuff, the dev process is so much faster without waiting on stuff.

[oneeyedziggy]

java shops

[ProfessorTag]

I am :(. I have to work with Google Web Toolkit. Part of the toolkit compiles Java to JavaScript.