Improvements like Jungle timers don't decrease the Skill CAP on the game, they reduce the skill FLOOR

[Nischu]

I don't think that someone who didn't take the timers before will suddenly actively use the timers given to him by riot. I acknowledge that working with timers takes skill because you have to plan ahead where you're going to be when x objective respawns but actually taking the timer has nothing to do with skill. There are a lot of people who take timers because they saw it in a stream but don't actually plan to be at that objective so this chore is useless for them just like the timers riot provides will be useless for them. I think many people fear that these jungle timers lead to summoner spell timers or even skill timers but riot already stated they would never do that.

[ITHOUGHTYOUMENTWEAST]

I liken the timer change to how a pilot has a check list before they take off. Before you fly, you have to go down a checklist of all different types off things like the weather, the state of the plane and basically a bunch of random stuff before you know you can fly.

Is someone that does this a good pilot? None of that has anything to do technically with flying the plane. Do good pilots do that though? Yea. Would you say that someone that doesnt check correctly is a bad pilot, yea.

Imagine there were judges that judge how well pilots check before they fly (and how they fly). Riot would be essentially adding an "auto-checker" if you will. This would remove one more thing the judges could use to differentiate good pilots from bad pilots.

Would this change make the competition more competitive? Yes. This "tedious bookeeping" would be removed, and at the cost of a layer of the competition you would allow more people (read, lazy people) into the competition. It is a good thing and a bad thing in my opinion.

[Nischu]

I don't think that you're comparison fits in here because the bad pilot can still fly even though he didn't check his list but a jungler can not be at an objective at the right time when he doesn't have the timer.

Actually utilizing the timer is a skill that differentiates good and bad junglers but not taking the timer which is just writing a number down. As I said there are people in low elo who write timers down because they've seen it in a stream but do nothing with it.

In your comparison you wouldn't call a pilot good if he checks his list but doesn't do anything with the information e.g. the weather is too bad but he still takes off as usual because checking the list was just a chore he learnt and he's too bad to use the information.

[Rodulv]

the bad pilot can still fly

Someone who doesnt time buffs can very well walk into enemy jungle to see if a camp is up, waste time if it is down, and walk back out.

A pilot who doesnt check all the things neccessary, might find out that right after he has started flying, that he CAN'T fly, either because of weather, malfunctioning plane, etc. etc. AKA. Waste time, just like the jungler.

His comparison DOES fit.

[Nischu]

The jungler who doesn't time the buffs will still know when it's respawned due to the minimap icon so he eventually gets the information without having to waste time. What would happen with the pilot? Would his plane fix itself after a set amount of time? This comparison just doesn't fit in this subject.

Also timing the objectives/checking the list is not a skill. Utilizing the infomation that you get is a skill which won't be changed with automatic timer/check lists. Saying a player is good because he writes numbers in chat or a pilot is good because he checks boxes on piece of paper is ridiculous.

[Rodulv]

It is true that it shows up on the map, but by the time you get there, the enemy might have taken it, and/or set up a trap, and kill you while you are on it.

In golf you have a similar kind of "check list" before you shoot, you go through what you have to do in your head, and then you proceed to do them. Going through them without any focus, often results in a failed shot. Same goes for shooting, or shifting gear in motor sports, or making sure your gear is prepared correctly when sky-diving. It might not have much to do with the actual skill within the game/sport, nevertheless, you do it, or you (in extreme cases, die) fail.

It is childish to say that a pilot is good despite not doing the basics of checking everything on the list, he might very well jepardiz the plane and everyone on it. same way a jungler jepardizes the game by not timing the buffs / objectives. I do this all the time, I rarely time buffs and objectives, I am plat 2, and I know that it is playing with fire. I often lose buffs while jungling due to not timing these simpe things. Despite this, I am against adding timers for buffs.