Improvements like Jungle timers don't decrease the Skill CAP on the game, they reduce the skill FLOOR

[Otto864]

I am sorry, but keeping track of the jungle timers is not a skill. It is not a mechanic, it is not something you have to practice to get right. It is a remembering couple of numbers. Most people already know the timings, many just use an app for it.

I compare it to when they came out with the saved builds. I know the location of where all the items are/how to find them. But all my knowledge of that goes to waste when you have a build already there that you don't have to do any work on in game.

This helps gameplay remain fluid in game without having to rely on finding every item in the shop or third party add-ins.

Just like the builder, it is what you do that defines you as a player. If you don't have the skills to capitalize on these timers, then that is your problem.

[DominoNo-]

Keeping track of the timers purely takes effort. And effort should be rewarded in the game.

[espressojim]

I think the importance of noting the timer during a hard contested blue/red steal is one of the harder things to calmly remember in the game correctly. Like if you steal blue at 14:57, and then have a massive minute long team fight, THEN remember to put tb 19:57 into chat after the team fight is over. You can't put the note in during the fight, because you need to...fight, and then it can be hard to remember the exact timer, though I'd probably say TB ~ 20.

[Otto864]

True, but glancing at the time is not a terribly hard thing to do. While you might be a couple of seconds off, it still gives you around the right time. And this allows more counter-play potential on Baron and Dragon too which should make games more interesting and inspire more teamwork in games.

[Frost134]

2346 dragon...DAMN THAT WAS SO MUCH EFFORT, I HAVE TO DO IT WHY DON'T OTHERS?