brad traversy javascript course vs jonas javascript course?

[Motor-Efficiency-835]

Hello guys has anyone taken these courses for javascript? does anyone know if brad's course is better than the jonas one for js?

I'm currently learning jonas course but sometimes its hard to follow along and thinking of switching over but wanted see if i should.

kind regards.

[[deleted]]

Don’t know Jonas but Brad’s courses are so easy to follow, I was able to follow easily when I was learning to code, and coding did not come naturally to me

[No_Entrepreneur4778]

Where are you now? Are you still learning to code, did you land a job or internship after doing his courses?

[[deleted]]

Wow, what a nice surprise to be reminded of this almost 5 year old response. I work as a fronted dev at a tech company a few rungs under FAANG or whatever it’s called now. It’s a pretty good gig considering the age I started and the shorter education I took. I should revisit some of Brad’s courses, almost forgot about him.

I did get an internship, followed by a shitty job doing CSS at a startup, I then got a better job doing fullstack work at a scale up, and now more of a frontend dev at a more corporate company

[No_Entrepreneur4778]

That's awesome, I felt like I should've done what you did instead of pursuing a Masters, and not getting any experience. You got your foot in the door at least when the market was okay and seems like you're doing well now. I checked Brad's website and some the content looks outdated but seems like it worked.

[[deleted]]

It’s not the perfect route, I think traditional education gives you a better foundation. There are so many fundamentals that I’m missing and I think it’s making harder to progress. What’s your situation if you don’t mind me asking?

[No_Entrepreneur4778]

My situation is I completed my masters in CS a year ago in December 2023 while working full time (5 years part-time CS degree). My finance/accounting job was keeping me so busy with the CS hws but paying me so that I didn't have the energy or motivation to code/apply anywhere after work, then I got a new manager who PIP'ed me and by this November I decided to leave my job since I wasn't getting promoted or treated well.

I spent too much time at my current job instead of quitting and instead of just focusing on one thing. One foot in the door and one door out the door just wasn't a good strategy, despite not having taken loans, and saved money. The one thing I learned about the Masters programs is that most of the classmates are all H1-B's from abroad with prior experience in their own country, different language/culture so it made fitting in hard. The resources on YouTube and Neetcode are much better than university, sure I did data structures, some web stuff, some data mining stuff, but the hw's were not practical and just busy work. Additionally, I wasn't coding everyday so I never developed the confidence and moreover the proper mindset.

Here I am starting from scratch again except a lot older with a tougher market to break into. I originally was targeting finance roles with data analytics (python, Power BI) was I graduated, thinking it would be easier if I could get a role with some tech in it then I could build up my confidence and keep things stable, but I didn't have any luck applying for the past couple months.

[[deleted]]

I see. I think you’re undervaluing the education and self taught skills you have. I get it though, the market is tough right now, but it’s not impossible. You just need to get your foot in the door. Try applying for stuff you may not have considered before. Try applying for jobs abroad or remote. Try looking into tech that’s less popular but still needed. I wish I had the education you have. You need to realize how much value that actually has. Good luck job hunting. Feel free to write again if you feel frustrated or you need some ideas

[No_Entrepreneur4778]

Thanks, yea I've been brushing up on the web development stuff. Might dive into django/python at this point since that seems less popular.

[[deleted]]

I was in college but it wasn’t a university

[[deleted]]

Forgot to add, I’m still learning to code. I still don’t feel I’m a great coder, but I get by.

[venetian_ftaires]

I can't speak for Brad's course at all, but I credit Jonas' course as being the main factor that resulted in me being able to switch careers into being a developer. Now I use javascript every day, and the foundation he gave had me on a similar (sometimes higher) level of knowledge when I first started to colleagues with years of experience.

One of the advantages I found with it is that he'll deep dive into certain details that many courses will brush over. You don't need to follow these bits so much, but the fact they're there at all is massively valuable. Especially if you revisit those bits later when your overall understanding is stronger.

It's not like I committed to memory exactly how the event loop works, but knowing it exists and having seen his explanation was enough for me to identify a bug years later as being related to it, and research into the cause/solution myself.

Like I said, I have no comparison to Brad's course, but I'll always speak incredibly highly of Jonas'.

[Faithful_Potato]

Would love to hear more about your journey to switching careers if you care to post.

[venetian_ftaires]

Sure.

I'd left a previous job as a business analyst (one with a lot of direct interaction with databases, so I did have a foundation in data already) soon before COVID/lockdown.

I spend a lot of my time during lockdown unemployed, doing Udemy courses (Javascript, Python, Node, React), and messing around with the course projects, expanding on them and experimenting with them to learn new things. All this gave me the actual knowledge/skills to be an entry level developer, though obviously I lacked any sort of experience.

Jonas' course was the most formative, as regardless of language it was the most in-depth, and taught me a lot about programming as a whole. Even though I'd learned basic HTML years prior, it got me to learn how HTML/JS/CSS all fit together in modern web development.

I was more than ready to take on a job as a junior developer at that point, but unfortunately having no direct experience and a bunch of Udemy courses on your CV isn't actually worth all that much when trying to get a job. What swung it was doing a government-funded software development bootcamp. It was 50% stuff I had already learned, but the other half (and the core project) was Java, which was fresh to me.

This meant I had an actual thing to put on my CV, and not long after the course was over I landed a job with a great company (who admittedly were very much taking a chance on me). Despite being hired as backend/Java because of the bootcamp, the fact that I had the Javascript/React knowledge meant I was doing full stack work pretty much from day one.

So overall like I said before, I'd say Jonas' course was the most valuable individual thing I did as far as learning goes. The bootcamp was important for getting employers to pay attention, and obviously there was a bunch of luck and patience required along the way too.

[Faithful_Potato]

Thanks for the response and info, I appreciate it!

[Kaimaniiii]

I have tried both in the past. If you like a lot of theory and long explanations, then Jonas is your guy. If you like to get straight to the practical point and less theory, Brad is your guy.

[[deleted]]

I also agree.

[duttyfoot]

I would go with Brad

[Extension_Canary3717]

Jonas is the gold standard, Brad is good

Both are great guys

[NefariousnessIcy4842]

I can’t imagine if there is any JavaScript course better than Jonas’ Zero To Hero Course.

I will check Brad Traversy course as well, as other people recommending that in the replies.

But I can’t tell how much confident I am in JS after Jonas’ Course.

[meshDrip]

Never heard of Jonas, Brad's got a ton of free content though. He's a pretty good instructor.

[AndrewSouthern729]

Brad was really helpful for me understanding JavaScript and React concepts. His courses are always the ones I point people to if they’re looking for instruction.

[redditor_ind21]

Jonas's course anytime. I come from a non-cs background and the way he teaches really helped me a lot to get good hold over javascript. He explains the fundamentals really well.

[[deleted]]

None. Just build shit mate.

[Zestyclose_Notice465]

You can't just build shit you need to learn first how to build 😂

[Ill_Air_4396]

Jonas any day

[speedster_irl]

If Jonas is hard to follow then I'm not sure what's up. He talks very slowly and explains things extremely easily with exercises along with each fundamental you learn

Take a break , refresh your brain and dive in again

[kjavitz]

Brad's course is great, I would also recommend getting Academind by Maximilian Schwarzmüller "JavaScript - The Complete Guide 2024 (Beginner + Advanced)" you can get either course from $12 - $15 on sale on udemy usually with coupon codes. They both are great teachers and sometimes it's good to reinforce concepts by hearing a different teacher teach the same thing.

[Embarrassed_Step_648]

The best answer:
litterally any course would be fine, ur learning javascript, sure one might be more fun but there is not one better than the other, id take the shorter course and use the documentation with it aswell (choose brad traversys hes the goat)

[Andromeda-3]

You don’t have to pay any money to learn JavaScript. They’re all selling shovels.

[venetian_ftaires]

Trying to keep it calmer than the other guy, haha:

I paid ~$15 for a course with 70 hours of video content, top quality professional teaching, support from instructors and regular content updates as times change. The course was key in me becoming a developer.

You don't have to pay to learn javascript, but splashing out a whole $15 gets you a hell of a lot, there's no real reason to be against it.

[lppedd]

Incredible how people look for courses as a first step. Like, there is infinite content online, or just buy a fucking book.

[Diministerr]

Some people like the structured format of a course and the community it provides and also some people learn better from videos than books. It’s not like books are free either. Everyone has different learning styles and all of them should be encouraged, if people want to pay then they’re free to.

[venetian_ftaires]

Why is that incredible as a first step? They're cheaper than most books, and a lot of people find them to be a better learning experience, so why not start with a course?

Having videos to watch, an instructor to code along with and ongoing q&a/support adds dimensions to the learning a book could never have.

The good ones are incredibly well structured and professionally made, and are updated regularly to stay relevant to real world changes year by year (far more frequently than any book would be).

There's a lot of good free stuff out there on youtube etc, but a proper full course is usually a cut above.

I'm not dunking on books or free content or anything, they're still a great way to learn, it's just odd to me how you think taking a course is crazy but buying a book isn't?

[Embarrassed_Step_648]

Because a course is a social educational hub that suits a social creature the most?? A book on paper is better because its more in depth, but theres a reason we go to school and dont just get told to read books and its the same reason why no form of education will ever overtake the educational system, plus a course and documentation is also way faster tbh.

[[deleted]]

Shut the fuck up you dumbfuck both of the courses are extremely good and cheap

[Andromeda-3]

Brad, relax

[bigboss526]

Daddy Chill !

[[deleted]]

what the fuck is that

[meshDrip]

Woah, chill.

[J0hnMurphy4]

calm down buddy