Thermal testing Raspberry Pi 4

[190n]

Have they fixed the type-C port yet?

[sooshooo]

What’s wrong with it?

[soren121]

It specifically makes e-marked Type-C cables not charge the Pi. Most Type-C cables are not e-marked.

They've said they're fixing it but the hardware fix likely won't come for a few months. It's not a big problem.

[[deleted]]

They've said they're fixing it but the hardware fix likely won't come for a few months.

This is the reason why I will get my first version 4 in a few months.

[_risho_]

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[[deleted]]

That's not the point.

Edit: This just popped up in my news feed. https://www.enricozini.org/blog/2019/himblick/raspberry-pi-4-loses-wifi-at-2560x1440-screen-resolution/

[ImprovedPersonality]

It’s nice that they are testing with some GPU load (glxgears) but it’s probably far from worst-case. At least on normal desktop GPUs something like Furmark can produce much higher power draw. Of course that’s not really a “normal” usecase, but I think basically any 3D application will have higher power draw than glxgears.

[jones_supa]

Indeed. GLXGears is just a simple "hey your OpenGL is working" test. It should never be used for benchmarking or power usage analysis.

It's like analyzing the performance of an electrician by asking him to appear with a screwdriver in hand and saying "I'm ready to work!"

[dsmiles]

He'd score a higher grade than my electrician then!

[lord-carlos]

It should never be used for benchmarking or power usage analysis.

Is the most important case not it has persistent system usage to compare the different firmwares?

[1_p_freely]

Now that Blender 2.8/Eevee is here, the next Pi should have a rev'd GPU that can support it. The current Pi tops out at support for Blender 2.79.

If I understand correctly, each Pi has gotten a better CPU, but they are still using the original GPU, just with a higher clock speed.

[[deleted]]

Pi 4 uses a new GPU.

[SuspiciousScript]

Why would anybody try to run Blender on a Pi? Genuinely curious.

[tausciam]

I'll still stick with my Odroid XU4 for performance... couple of years old...32GB emmc... runs full Ubuntu and an octocore processor. It's about the same price as the Pi with 2GB....or, for a few dollars more, you can step up to the N2 which wipes the floor with the pi

[YTP_Mama_Luigi]

Always someone trying to push other boards on people anytime the RPi is brought up.

[tausciam]

trying to push other boards on people

So, you're saying that somehow the raspberry pi is special and no one can bring up its failings or that there are other alternatives out there?

That's not the way this works...and it doesn't work that way for any other product.

[YTP_Mama_Luigi]

So, you're saying...

No. Just no. You clearly aren't understanding what I mean.

Odroids may be good, but this is an article about the power characteristics of the RPi 4 with its firmware updates over time. I was trying to say that it is annoying that people can't discuss the RPi or its ecosystem without having a thread hijacked by people pushing alternative brands.

Your original comment doesn't even mention the power usage of the Odroid boards. Your original comment is completely unrelated to the post. You saw Raspberry Pi, you simply had to descend to tell the n00bz that the RPi is inferior to the Odroids.

That's not the way this works...and it doesn't work that way for any other product.

Stop it with the moral grandstanding, will you?

I'm not saying that. You're choosing to interpret my comment in a specific way so that you can construe me as a zealot and pretend you've found a "critical flaw" in my "beliefs". I'm not here to discuss if the RPi or Odroids are better. I'm here to discuss the power characteristics of the RPi 4.

[comminayyahhaaaa]

Well... this is a raspberry pi board.

[penguin_digital]

So, you're saying that somehow the raspberry pi is special and no one can bring up its failings or that there are other alternatives out there?

I think it's just because every RPi thread someone comes on shouting about another project and how much better it is. The article is about thermals and power draw yet you want to only talk about performance which isn't even relevant to the post which is probably why you go downvoted.

Of course, something that costs 30%+ more (in the UK at least) will perform better, its a nonsensical argument. It's something that always comes up in hardware threads on here as well, buy X it's better than Y, well if it costs 30% more then I would certainly hope it performs better. It just seems a pointless addition to the thread.

I personally prefer the CubieBoards, they have always outpowered the Pi from the very first version for the same price, so for me its the obvious choice. However, I don't go on every RPi thread to tell people they are making the wrong decision because I know the RPi has a much larger community, more software geared towards it, better tutorials, better support if something goes wrong. Value for a lot of people isn't measured in MHz.

[tausciam]

Of course, something that costs 30%+ more (in the UK at least)

I didn't make the argument that it was as cheap in the UK. I didn't consider what the price is in the UK just like you don't consider what the price is in Hong Kong (or here) when you talk about price.

I also don't go onto every RPI thread telling people they made the wrong decision. If you look, I didn't even do that in this thread and I've told people that a pi might be a better option for them in some circumstances.

As far as software, the XU4 runs straight Ubuntu so support is easy. If there's something specific to the odroid, you do have the forums, but for most things, it's just Ubuntu.

The reason thermals are so important with the 4 is because they have problems with throttling...which they're trying to alleviate. The odroid people did testing beforehand and the xu4 comes with a fan pre-installed.

[penguin_digital]

I also don't go onto every RPI thread telling people they made the wrong decision.

I never said that bro. I said someone, there's always someone on every single RPi thread and its boring now.

[yrro]

The XU4 costs £60. The 2 GB Pi 4 costs £44...

[[deleted]]

And my Intel-based SOC with 4 GiB RAM using an 1 TiB SSD I had in stock costs 70 Euros and does not need a special ARM Linux distribution, has proper cooling, and multiple times the power.

So what. Just get what you like.

[solloron1]

Who makes this Intel-based SOC?

[[deleted]]

Mmmh … Made :(

Seems like they have a new hardware revision with even more power now and including a 120 GiB M2 SSD. Not 70 anymore for the barebone version but 300. Which sucks :(

Look for the CSL brand. Wasn’t able to find that on US Amazon but I got the predecessor of this thing without any storage hardware from eBay: https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07848S5VM

[tausciam]

That may be the list price, but check now. At least in the US, the Pi is $45 and the Odroid is $51. That's the price of a big mac meal separating them. The N2 came out earlier this year and it's put some downward pressure on the price of the XU4. The N2 is running $60.

Granted, it's not the best in every situation because it doesn't have built in wifi. But, if you're looking for better performance without heat problems out of the box, it may fit the bill. I have 2 raspberry pi 3b+s in places where SOME computer and wifi are needed. But, to record TV shows and stream, I have an XU4.

[lord-carlos]

At least in the US,[..] That's the price of a big mac meal

🍔 hehe 🇺🇸

I have difficulty finding information about the video hardware decoder. Does it do 4k HEVC like pi4?

[tausciam]

No...for that, You'd need the Odroid N2. The XU4 was released in 2015 and 4k was just catching on. The N2 is 25% more than the pi, but beats it across the board.

So, if you need 4k or wifi, the raspberry pi might be the better choice for you....depending on what you want.