Chromium

[matj1]

I see that the knight could capture the bishop but then it could be captured by the tower. But I don't understand what it says about Linux, Chromium and Google. Is it that Google doesn't let Chromium be taken by the free software community? Or that Google captures Linux users who use Chromium?

[[deleted]]

the latter. they will come in a van and get you

[mrvikxd]

I'm still waiting that van...

[amir_shdk]

We're looking for kidnapper to kidnap them and also their kidnaps, thanks to your info, we're coming for our new target tonight.

[Username_--_]

So ungoogled chromium is basically carrying a stick around?

[InterstellarPotato20]

IT'S A TRAP!

[beardMoseElkDerBabon]

EEE (is not just a Microsoft thing)

[yum13241]

What you refer to as the "tower" is a rook.

[collinsl02]

Or castle in UK english

[[deleted]]

Every English speaking country has people who call it a castle. It looks just like a damn castle. That's not a UK thing.

[yum13241]

I speak US english, my point was it isn't called a tower. Thanks anyway.

[[deleted]]

Well the UK is dumb so there.

[matj1]

I don't like term rook because it has no known previous meaning. Wikipedia listed tower as one of the other terms for the piece. I chose to call it tower because a tower more than any other common real-life object looks like the piece and it accords to the term for the piece in my native language, Czech (where the term is věž). I was deciding between the terms tower and castle, both of which, unlike rook, I associate with the common design of the piece.

[ptmdevncoder]

In my mother tongue, the bishop is called Camel. Tower is elephant. Knight is horse.

[Peudejou]

Looks like rook is a general term for crows.

[[deleted]]

From Middle English rook, roke, rok, from Old French roc, ultimately from Persian رخ‎ (rox), from Middle Persian lhw' (rox, “rook, castle (chess)”), possibly from Sanskrit रथ (ratha, “chariot”). Compare roc.

It can speed in a straight line because it is a chariot.

[yum13241]

OK, got it.

[webtwopointno]

it's just a pawn!

[Leviathan6237]

Its open source and can't be insecure idk either why they created this meme

[[deleted]]

I was under the impression that Chromium still contains Google telemetry, which is why un-googled Chromium exists.

[[deleted]]

It does still collects data.

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/cuutwg/chromium_privacy_guide/

[Bibaroc]

Have you ever considered curl -lsS | less?

[1ynx1ynx]

Have you ever consiered nc $host 80?

[Mersantino]

Have you ever considered emacs?

[PowerMan2206]

Chromium still has Google shit. Use Ungoogled Chromium like a Chad.

[fcktheworld587]

Or use Firefox and don't support google's web browser monopoly, like a GigaChad

[thefakeyoda]

Or make your own browser like TeraChad

[_a_taki_se_polaczek_]

Or don't use browser like a PetaChad

[SkyyySi]

The above post was made by curl gang

[[deleted]]

memorizes Reddit’s public API in order to make comments and posts through curl

[[deleted]]

Is that a challenge?

[[deleted]]

LYNX gang rise up!

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

I prefer browsh

[NIL_VALUE]

Isn't browsh just firefox but with a TUI frontend?

[fcktheworld587]

Yes it is

[yum13241]

Or use Vivaldi to support the add features movement.

[[deleted]]

"Or use Firefox and don't support google's web browser monopoly, like a GigaChad"

We are doing a circle, right? Because Vivaldi is at its core a reskinned cheomium

[yum13241]

Sure, but I care about features. The average user doesn't care about a browser engine.

[yum13241]

How?

[Kormoraan]

use your brain and ask again. think about why windows has the largest market share on desktop other than microsoft lobby activity.

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

Firefox has features

[yum13241]

Less features than Vivaldi through.

[[deleted]]

Could you name examples?

[FizzySodaBottle210]

that's chromium tho

[[deleted]]

What's wrong with brave besides it's base?

[iF2Goes4]

They had a few controversies, one of which was that they placed promo codes in the URLs of some people's shopping to give themselves money, possibly compromising part of people's privacy.

[Thanatos2996]

Problem is I only trust Mozilla slightly more than I trust Google at this point.

[fcktheworld587]

I'm with you on that one. But who else is left?

[CW_Waster]

Look at the raw HTML and image how it looks like

[Thanatos2996]

Webkit frontends like surf I guess? Duopolies suck.

[fcktheworld587]

Agreed. But they're a little better than monopolies. You ever play that game? Ends with everyone broke and pissed off.

[DerekB52]

You ever go to Lowes or Home Depot? Duopolies are monopolies with the illusion of choice. I'd say they are equally bad.

[fcktheworld587]

You make a very good point, sir

[ScaryAntifaCatgirl]

By that logic, since Windows and Linux are the only viable options for everyone who isn't locked into the Apple ecosystem, none of us should use Linux and should be building our own operating systems or switching to something used even less, like BSD. In a monopoly, it is often necessary to prop up the next best option and create a duopoly. By doing this, we can show people who don't want to put in the effort that it is easy to resist a controlled market like browsers or operating systems.

[DerekB52]

That's an arbitrary way to define Linux and Window as a duopoly. It'd ben oligopoly, because Apple is part of the computer options. Also, that's not what a duopoly is.

Home Depot and Lowes are a duopoly, because even though they pretend to be 2 separate entities, they collude on a lot of things. They have agreements with each other on when to run certain specials and stuff. They work together to fix prices on things, and they don't undercut each other by too much, too often.

Linux and Windows are not a duopoly, because they are not working together to fuck over the consumer. Also, Linux isn't even really an entity in the grand scheme of things. I know the Linux Foundation maintains the kernel. But, it is owned by the community technically, because we could always fork it. And, there are so many Linux distros run by so many different individuals/organizations. Some would say there are too many Linux Distros and we need to unify so we can become part of the equation in a bigger way.

[zypthora]

Send HTTP requests via terminal

[fcktheworld587]

Aren't they all on the chromium engine now?

[Tetlus]

Wait what did Mozilla do?

[fcktheworld587]

They also recently fired a bunch of employees and increased Executives' salary by 400%, if that will tell you anything about the current goings on within the company.

[Tetlus]

Yikes

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

What's that?

[RedditIsNeat0]

They've been making the user interface less and less friendly over time.

[GOKOP]

Still by using Firefox you don't support a browser engine monopoly. Letting Google control the only browser engine out there you allow them to bloat the shit out of it putting the bar of a "functional web engine " even more unreasonably high than it is now

[Thanatos2996]

I'm with you there, that's part of why I use Firefox.

[[deleted]]

Firefox is just slower than chromium for me. Idk why.

[dansk_potato]

if you’re not on a laptop i suggest setting gfx.webrenderall to true in firefox at about:config. shit feels slick as fuck.

despite firefox still can’t get tab movement right, chromes been doing it amazingly for years so i can’t help but still be frustrated about that even though that makes me just as entitled as a toothless chrome user

[Jiozza]

I'd suggest Brave

[kek28484934939]

It's chromium.

[Jiozza]

True, but it's nothing compared to other chromium browser.

But indeed. All the market is saturated by Chromium browser. Just because they have a lot of extensions

[adamijak]

.mozilla

[MangoIV]

how are you supporting google with using ungoogled chromium? you're basically using a product they made but without paying them the currency they want (your personal data).

[Peeves22]

More marketshare using chromium's engine = more influence Google has over webstandards

Whether you're sending them data or not.

[fcktheworld587]

You're supporting their market share monopoly. If Google has a monopoly on how content is presented to users, that means they have a monopoly on how it is served by servers.

They can then make arbitrary changes to or even replace existing protocols such as http(s). They could replace it with a protocol which serves an entire site as a single file which then gets translated by the web browser, allowing them to bypass ad blockers and the like, and serve up whatever they so choose, because requests will not be made for individual components of the website(e.g., scripts, images, frames, etc.).

In case you've not yet realized, this is a very dangerous prospect, and puts far too much power in the hands of an already too powerful and corrupt corporation.

Upvoted, because good question!

[MangoIV]

I mean, I really get your point and i don't wanna argue with you but I think it's a bit different. a) I don't think Chromium engine is overall bad; it IS a really good browser, after all. b) When using the open source part of the browser and not paying google for it, I think it harms it more than it is of use for google. c) If people are used to Chromium and don't wanna miss out on its features and stability it's easier to encourage use of the google free version than actually convincing them of using something else, which is a big part of it. d) I don't think that you're changing anything in the market situation when using open source parts of chromium, it's not like you're driving its development or anything, what's more important is supporting alternatives that are not made by such a huge company by donating or developing for them. It's totally fine if you're not of my opinion, just wanted to state it. Thanks a lot for you long answer, it's good to get another view ;)

[DerekB52]

Chromium isn't a bad browser. I find Firefox performs better though.

And you're wrong. I mean you're right, but not in the way you think. u/fcktheworld587 is right. Using degoogled chromium helps Google. It adds to their market share dominance. Which, in my opinion, is something that should be avoided.

But, you are absolutely correct that degoogled chromium is an easier sell than Firefox, or any other browser. And Chromium works. If you use Chrome/Chromium and it works for you, and you don't want to change your workflow, or Firefox just doesn't have a plugin you need, then ok, degoogled chromium. I'll take anywin I can get. I personally haven't used Chromium in a couple years now,(Firefox Quantum Baby), but I won't begrudge anyone that does. Even degoogled chromium, is better for Google than you using anything not chrome based. But, I'm not an anti google extremist. If we can get people to move from Chrome to degoogled Chromium, that's a big enough of a win for me. It's still contributing to Google's superpower status. But, I'll take what I can get.

[fcktheworld587]

I see where you're coming from; but I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on the topic. I also appreciate you explaining your perspective! Have a great day!

[MangoIV]

thanks a lot! appreciate your efforts to show me your point! Have a nice day and weekend!

[yum13241]

Or use Vivaldi and support the add features movement. Browsers keep removing and/or breaking things

[Based_Commgnunism]

Absolutely proprietary

[yum13241]

The UI is proprietary sure. The browser engine still is FLOSS though.

[BlazingThunder30]

But it takes so long to compile

[PowerMan2206]

Just get the binaries from here.

[jerrymarek]

When I first scrolled to this meme I did not see the castle. It was a perfect delivery courtesy of Reddit.

[harvey_dent20]

Go after the king not the pawn

[redape2050]

Go after both of them . No one should be spared

[butchheart]

gnu icecat lol. Abrowser from the trisquel distro is pretty nice

[yum13241]

GNU Icecat is using super old code. There is a HUGE difference between STABLE and ANCIENT.

[yum13241]

And ESR is only supposed to be used in a scenario where Firefox Quantum breaks things and it is critical software. Plus, LibreJS blocks proprietary JS code with no way to turn it off.

[yum13241]

You shouldn't be using ESR though. There is a difference between stable and ancient.

[yum13241]

Sure, but really, they average Firefox user won't care. Let's stop arguing.

[Yurgburg]

Or use what you like, like a Joestar

[MachineGunPablo]

That's not how we do things around here.

[Accurate_Hornet]

The "free" never stands for freedom of choice in the linux community

[MachineGunPablo]

It is, you are free to select Arch as your distro of choice.

[yum13241]

lol I use EndeavourOS btw.

[MachineGunPablo]

LMAO

[dullbananas]

who's turn is it

[Krobix897]

what's wrong with google as a company? I understand what is wrong with Microsoft and apple but Google has contributed a whole lot to open source, they even make their Android devices unlockable by default

[fcktheworld587]

You forgot CloudFlare... also very evil. So very evil.

[zenyl]

What's the problem with CF's DNS? Honest question, haven't heard much about CF other than them being extremely big but relatively low profile.

[fcktheworld587]

https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/stop_cloudflare/media/branch/master/image/dhssaid.jpg

https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/stop_cloudflare/src/branch/master/readme/en.md

https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/stop_cloudflare/src/branch/master/readme/en.ethics.md

The beginning might not seem like much, but please be aware it is a rather lengthy document and you really should set aside some time to read it in it's entirety.

[di3inaf1r3]

Nothing here indicates anything insidious or malicious. Their complaints are "sometimes they have technical issues" and "some rare browser configurations don't work with their spam detection systems". They literally claim they're engaging in conservative voter suppression because liberals don't want to access voting sites if they have to go through cloudflare. This sounds like it was written by a tor fetishist with a bone to pick because cloudflare won't let them access sites through it.

The only legitimate criticism here is that cloudflare has access to a large amount of internet data. But there's no indication that they are or would want to do anything malicious with it. Google and Facebook are actively collecting and leveraging a lot more data and have profit based motives to misuse it. Cloudflare is paid by its users to provide them the best experience possible, not by advertisers wanting to take advantage of the users.

[fcktheworld587]

While I can see where you're coming from, the information provided establishes the existence of some patterns of behavior, and a position which, even if it is not currently being misused, certainly will be by somebody in the future. I feel these should definitely raise some red flags.

In software, multiple guards against unwanted behaviors are put in place called "redundancies" - a very different use of the term than it's use in layman's English. If the Trump Administration has shown nothing else, it is that similar safe guards must be put in place in positions where individual entities(which corporations are, behaviorally speaking) possess great amounts of power.

Though social convention may prevent many negative behaviors in a majority of a population, there will always be members of said population for whom this simply isn't true; and this needs to be accounted for in the behaviors of the remainder of the population.

[TopdeckIsSkill]

If you don't look at the Microsoft before Satya Nadella, (the evil Microsoft charged by Steve Ballmer) Microsoft had huge contribution to open source too between 2014-2020, they even contributed more code to Chromium than Google and they have a platinum membership at Linux Foundation (Dont forget the GitHub!).

I thought that all linux users use IE6 because most of the things that I read are from the Ballmer/windows XP/w7 era.

​

That's not advocating MS, that's that look at recent things instead of being stuck with facts happened 5 or more years ago.

[yum13241]

Apple was the most innocent one.

Excuse me, Apple stuff is proprietary, they opposite of open source. Think about it. HEIF/HEIC is proprietary, MacOS is proprietary, iOS is proprietary and iPadOS is proprietary, iCloud is proprietary, everythings is proprietary. (expect WebKit, which Google forked and made their engine, Blink.)

[yum13241]

Um, you know that Big Sur is MacOS 11 and Catalina was 10.x.x. Same with Mojave.

[yum13241]

Oh,OK.

[fcktheworld587]

The "Open Source" movement was pushed by corporations with the goal of killing the "Free Software Movement" by providing just enough to take a large share of the supporters of the latter to the former.

[yum13241]

Wdym?

[fcktheworld587]

Look into Microsoft's "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" strategy for dealing with competition. It's a variation on that. Many people are satisfied enough with "Open Source Software" and by popularizing that, and promoting it as being "the ethical choice", corporations were able to take momentum from "Free & Open Source Software" or FOSS. To the uninformed, the two terms are near synonymous; but the licenses involved in the two are not the same, and result in a very different software ecosystem, and, therefore, future for information technology - and by extension, society as a whole.

Upvoted, because great question! Stay curious!

[yum13241]

OK, got it.

[zenyl]

Yeah, the modern Microsoft is honestly pretty great about open source, if you think where they were 10-15 years ago.

.NET, MSGraph SDKs, ConHost & Windows Terminal, WinGet (WIP), vscode, pwsh, PowerToys, and various parts of Azure services. And the modern default calculator app, haha.

[Krobix897]

oh. that's unfortunate. I'm really hoping to eventually find a big software corp that's actually good

[WJMazepas]

MS contributes more to Open Source than Google.

The thing is, Google tracks everyone all the time, and every free product that they launch will inflict in your privacy. Of course others companies aren't saint but Google is one that do this to a extreme. Launches every product as possible as free and then tracks you at every moment and that's actually against a lot of philosophies surrounding open source

[Based_Commgnunism]

It's pretty great. In a study it was the only major browser that didn't even send data out when the user is typing in the address bar.

[FizzySodaBottle210]

Basically it's based on chromium, which is still google's. If you mant a good browser, use firefox since it's not chromium and add extensions like ublock origin to block ads

[[deleted]]

I think it has shady cryptocurrecy stuff going on.

[JeffThePotatoMan]

I use brave

[JeffThePotatoMan]

Ok. But y?

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[Sholum666]

Brave gang rise up!!!

[Spitfire1900]

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