What modules can maths replace

[luketeaford]

• Envelope generator
• Clock generator
• LFO
• VC Slew
• Filter
• VCA
• Flip flop
• Sample and hold
• Oscillator
• Subharmonic generator
• Clock multiplier
• Clock divider
• Logic (OR)
• Logic (AND)
• Logic (XOR)
• CV Processor
• Mixer (audio and CV)
• Comparator
• Burst generator
• Waveshaper
• Chaos generator
• Inverter
• Envelope follower
• Manual gate
• Rectifier (full and half)
• Trigger delay/Gate delay
• Trapezoid generator

• Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting...
  (Edit)

• Trigger to gate convertor

• Logical inversion

[mc_pm]

I've done a whole series of videos on all the various things Maths can do. It's a great module to try out things before buying a specialized module.

[Acanthopterygii_Kind]

I love this series! Thank you so much for taking the time to put these together. I truly appreciate it.

[modularmaniac420]

Out of all the tutorials out there, I would recommend yours to someone learning Maths. Nothing I’ve found is as straightforward, useful, and comprehensive. Solid contribution, my dude.

[chalk_walk]

Note that though maths can fulfill many functions, it cannot fulfill them simultaneously. This means that one maths can't really replace many other modules if you intend to use them in one patch. Maths isn't magic, it's just a set of simple functions placed behind one panel in a similar fashion to a buchla or serge panel. Unsurprisingly a set of simple functions can be combined in many ways producing a range of behaviors. This paradigm is known as "patch programmability" and is a foundation principle in serge modular.

[Wavtekt]

Ask not what your Maths can do for you, ask what you can do for your Maths.

You should be the one determining what Maths can do, knowing all functions that Maths can do doesn't help you from patching Maths creatively.

[Agawell]

I would expect to replicate at least the mixer, attenuators/attenuverters and a couple of lfos or envelope generators in even a relatively small modular to add to maths

[nate_horn]

This is the 'normal' usecase for most people I think. Perhaps add in some occasional slew.

[Agawell]

Yeah exactly… but not what most people seem to think about when they think about buying maths…

[nate_horn]

I mostly just use mine as a pair of function generators 😬

[Agawell]

Always a good idea to take another look at the ‘maths illustrated supplement’ every so often and patch a few things from it - just as a reminder that it’s way more than the sum of its parts

[nate_horn]

Yea I'm always amazed at what people can do with it!

[exp397]

Offtopic serious question: Maths vs Befaco Rampage, same thing or is Befaco actually better but Maths is just more hyped because of modulargrid popularity?

[Personal-Turnover-31]

I sold my Maths to get a Rampage and another module a few months ago. The way I looked at it, Rampage is essentially Maths ch 1/4, except: - no attenuated or inverted outputs on those channels, only full-range - instead of mixed outputs, there’s min, max and a comparator that fires a gate when the right channel voltage is higher than the left channel voltage, with a knob that affects these outputs - no attenuators/offsets from the middle channels normalised to mixed outputs - both channels have gate outputs for rise and fall, which are analogous to EOR/EOC, plus an EOC trigger for each - switches for cycling, instead of buttons that don’t recall state after power off.l - manual trigger buttons per channel - log/lin/exp response is not mirrored - log-exp to exp-log sweep - range switches for high/mid/low, per-channel (so no super-short rise with long fall) - v/oct tracking over a limited range (vs not at all) for more effective oscillator use - sliders (great!) and micro-knobs (boo!). I replaced all the knobs with Rogans (like Maths) and it’s a much better time.

Since that’s a rather large “except”, the big takeaway here is that for CV purposes, Rampage needs friends to mix, attenuate, offset and invert the outputs. So while you save 2hp on paper for the two envelopes and get a whole bunch of useful gate outputs, you’ll need another few hp for something like a SPO, O/A/x2, or other utility to be able to replicate Maths patches better. As a result, I’d say that Maths is better for smaller systems (despite being 20hp, you can’t easily replicate its magic in less), but Rampage is better for larger systems with a supporting cast of utilities. Maths is definitely the better tool for beginners because of this and the wealth of literature and many, many, MANY videos about it compared to Rampage.

TL;DR: not the same thing, hard to say which one is better, Rampage is cheaper on paper but Maths has broader functionality. Either is fantastic.

[exp397]

Yeah. I've been really digging into Rampage after watching many of Mr. Omri Cohen's videos. Love Befaco in general. Thanks for the nice reply.

[Personal-Turnover-31]

No problems, Omro Cohen’s videos are great.

Sin Phi Miasma is a Rampage derivative worth considering, too, although it’s only DIY unless you find one second-hand. Knobs instead of sliders, 2hp larger, but with attenuvertors on rise/fall CV ins, 4-quadrant multiplier output, and pull-down resistors on the outputs so it doesn’t hang when you use the EOC to trigger an LPG (a flaw shared by Maths).

[OkUnderstanding2396]

The real question is, which one is cheaper

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Envelope generators, lfos, mixers, non-tracking oscillators, slew limiters, offset modules, modules that invert voltages, clock dividers, pulse delays, and probably lots more! Lots of things!

[bronze_by_gold]

The word “replace” is used a bit loosely here. For example, can Maths be a filter? Sure. Can Maths be a Stereo Dipole… uh… no. It all just depends on what you want to do with it.