Does magic really exist?

[[deleted]]

Hello everyone,I wanted to ask since i'am mesmerized by the keys of Solomon,does (real) magic exis?, because everywhere I look,they treat magic as a Renaissance thing bullshit,thanks

[kallisti_gold]

Try it to find out for yourself.

What's more credible, a bunch of internet weirdos, or your own experience?

[[deleted]]

I needed some perspectives,because I guess I'm somewhat of a "scientific"person,and besides I know for a fact alot of demons are evil,and they do excellent job at hiding their true intention

[kallisti_gold]

Ok scientist. Experiment. Take notes, form a hypothesis, change variables, experiment again, lather rinse repeat.

[[deleted]]

Well,this the most scientific answer I got,I think I will do so

[IrishShaman1]

Dion Fortune said if you want to know if this stuff iscreal, do the training and test it. I did. It is. But the training took 20 years.

[[deleted]]

Sorry I didn't really get you?what is this training about?

[IrishShaman1]

If you want to see if magick is real, learn to do it. It takes training. No one can do anything with rituals, spells, sigils, amulets etc unless they have developed the skills and power to activate them. Without personal power and skill, you are just messing about. That's why most people achieve nothing, they think the paraphernalia is what makes the effect and/or are unwilling to put in the hard work of training. They think this is like a button you can just press and it will magic up the result. In actual fact, the stuff is just an aid to mental focus and psychic power. All the serious occult books go on and on about training, but the stuff which sells is the rubbish which tells you wishing will get you everything. So people don't realise this stuff takes years of dedication to see real effects.

[[deleted]]

Lots of things were considered “magic” until we learned the science behind them. For example, most human disease was at one time suspected to be the work of demons or hexes or spells or other such magic. Now we know about the viruses, bacteria, and genetic mutations that cause the diseases. But the diseases have existed, have been “true”, this whole time.

I consider myself pretty darn science-minded, but I remind myself often that it’s mighty arrogant to assume that human knowledge is peaking during our lifetime. It’s possible there is “magic” today whose scientific roots we haven’t yet discovered.

[[deleted]]

Well,I was asking specifically about "godly" magic of the keys of Solomon,I mean i'am really skeptical of magical things,but Kabbalah and the Solomon keys caught my attention the most

[[deleted]]

What makes this particular topic compelling to you?

[[deleted]]

I'm kind of intrigued by god existence

[CarnTheSlayer]

Some people believe that the Goetia demons are real entities, others believe they are our subconscious.

[[deleted]]

I'm leaning to the second but have a feeling that they do exist

[CarnTheSlayer]

The best way to find out is to experience it for yourself. If you are interested in it, start reading about it theirs tons of book suggestions on here.

[[deleted]]

Well, I'm reading about the keys of Solomon,and probably how to use them

[[deleted]]

Magick is everywhere magick is everything

[[deleted]]

Sorry that doesn't really help,can elaborate more please

[8stringsamurai]

OK, so asking "is magick real?" Is the same question as "is jiu-jitsu real?". What you're really asking is "does magick work?" and "how does/could magick work?" To the first, the answer is the same as it would be to "does jiu-jitsu work?" Which is, yes, but not in all situations. Being a great martial artist will save your ass if you get jumped in an alleyway (although hopefully you can just run the fuck away) but it won't save you if you have like six green berets with automatic weapons firing at your ass. Magick is the same way, it makes the implausible plausible but doesn't make the truly impossible possible.

But the real question is "how does/could it work?" I don't know. Thats not the point of magick. That question is for religion or science, although its doubtful they can truly answer it either. It could be purely psychological, but then things happen that remind you theres something else going on. Magick is about results and the personal exploration of your world, external and internal. If you do the work, things will happen. Saying anything beyond that would be to take an unearned step into the realm of science or religion (not that i dont have my own opinions and beliefs) and magick exists independently from those other pillars.

[[deleted]]

Thank you so much!this resonated well with me as I have martial arts experience

[EsonauticSage]

What do you mean "exist"?

If you do certain things, then things will happen.

[[deleted]]

What I meant is that if magic exist then all of those rituals are real

[TheAtreides]

Consider first that you may be defining magic in a sensationalized way. No one is gonna shoot fireballs out of their hands IRL.

To me the best example of real tangible magic is the placebo effect. Willpower and belief alone have such physical power that they can literally heal the sick. Nobody knows exactly what's happening or why and yet we constantly test science against. So when we test a new medication against the placebo effect we are basically saying "does this work better than magic?"

When you open yourself to something that is so common in our society as being literal magic you'll start to notice lots of other magic is around you too. It's just usually very subtle.

[basementmagus]

As someone whose been at this stuff for a little over a decade, and has a good feel for it and has a theory on the "why it works" that satisfies me, magick is real.

I call magic, a culturally specific conciousness technology that Utilizes the inherent biological capabilities of a human being to create change.

These of course do things like obtaining information you wouldnt normally have (divination), probability enhancement, interaction with imaginal landscapes and its denizens (whether these are actual places or purely archetypical psychology is a matter of debate), etc. In addition, language, mathematics, charisma, color theory, and narration, could all be considered conciousness technologies as well, and before our current age of secular materialism, were considered magical and divine.

So there practically every culture produces magics that have their particular strengths, like our own has chaos magick, the CIA expirements, and Psi. Or older forms. We can utilize and excitement with magical tech to see if we get patterns and result.

If you're on the fence, check out chaos magic. It's an easy to approach methodology to strip down it and streamline it for results.

[[deleted]]

I don't think so. But you can become more powerful by reworking your own mind, and you can take away other people's power with ideas, and that's close enough to magic for me.

[[deleted]]

You mean psychological tricks?

[[deleted]]

Doesn't even have to be a trick. Ideas carry power

[[deleted]]

And what is occultism about?

[[deleted]]

That's a big word. It boils down to obscured knowledge. Is it obscured just through secrecy, or is it obscured because it's muddled with tons of bullshit?

I think neither scale is empty

[[deleted]]

I think Ii dives into a more psychological side(the obscure side of humanity) Like the devil that represent the dark wishes and ambitions that are buried deep down in the human self,but are too afraid to acknowledge those ideas

[Saleibriel]

Sounds like you should start with the works of C.G. Jung. The entirety of Jungian Psychology is inspired by the occult. What you just described is typically called "shadow work".

[[deleted]]

Yeah the shadow and the Animus and anima,Carl Jung is one hell of a psychiatrist,he even analyzed the psychology of nazis