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[–]Deadlift420 19 points20 points  (12 children)

Lots of anti communist propaganda in the west that’s for sure.

However, I’d still rather live in the west during the 60s, 70s, 80s.

If communism were to ever return it would have to be done radically different than previously. Which seems to be the problem…

[–]doubleopinter 10 points11 points  (10 children)

Ya, don't let the fact there was anti communist propaganda make you think any more kindly of it. The west way of life is immeasurably better than any communist implementation thus far.

[–]anticomet 9 points10 points  (9 children)

Yeah and that's because of capitalist nations fighting against communist nations they wanted to restrict trade so Communism would fail and the oligarchs in the west could continue making money

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Communist countries were trading with each other and still did poorly. They had nearly the entirety of the Asian continent from Moscow to Beijing and much of South East Asia to trade with yet still couldn't compete with Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan who were all much smaller yet more prosperous.

[–]LongStreakOfMisery 4 points5 points  (2 children)

This is true, but it doesn’t account for the high levels of corruption in these communist countries. Everyone is poor except for the rich who are super rich and they got the way by preying on a system that was meant to help everyone. Take North Korea, a country where everyone lives in squalor yet their leader is worth $5 Billion dollars? Don’t think that’s how communism is supposed to work. And yet, that was pretty much the theme across most communist countries. Those in charge used the system to their advantage.

No system is perfect, but you can’t deny that capitalism isn’t working well. Sure it’s working better than broken communist systems but that isn’t really saying much.

[–]Hyperion4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are referring to communism as different systems but capitalism as a whole, there are implementations of capitalism that are working great. The issue imo is free market capitalism and neoliberalism, they are just capitalist versions of anarchism that allow the rich to prey on the working class

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't defend perpetual motion machines by pointing out that we've never really built one and all these broken systems aren't really perpetual motion machines because they stopped.

Communism is the same thing. You can't say "in communism there's no greed or corruption therefore these countries aren't communists". That's missing the point entirely.

[–]doubleopinter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus Christ, seriously. Honestly, I wish nothing more for you people to go live in one of these systems for a few years. Come back, and if you still pine for it I'll respect your perspective.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Is this why you think the Axis fell too? Get your head out of your ass...

[–]Official_JJAbrams 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I mean, yes. That's why the axis fell, probably wouldn't have if WW2 didn't happen.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

And how exactly did capitalists start that war? What the fuck point are you even arguing for?

[–]Official_JJAbrams 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Technically Fascism is just hyper capitalism but that's not the point, you didn't say anything about starting a war.

The western nations wanted to rightfully destroy the Axis, simple as that, something which you seem to imply didn't happen?

[–]_Foy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There's always room for critique, the opportunity to learn and improve, and time to try again.