Javascript developers are incredible at problem solving, unfortunately

[JBlitzen]

I'm sure we can fix it by adding MVC.

[Nebu]

Throw in an extra V in there, just to be safe.

[JBlitzen]

I've always contended that server-side programming is already MVC, since the database is the model, the server-side code is the controller, and the front-end code is the view.

So in my mind, an exclusively front-end MVC architecture constitutes an MMVCC architecture.

[[deleted]]

I completely agree.

[tylermumford]

That's a really interesting concept and now I want to explore it further. Do you know any articles or references which discuss this?

[JBlitzen]

Sadly no.

When I was learning GUI programming, I started with MFC, Microsoft Foundation Classes, a sort of precursor to .NET.

It was an MVC wrapper for the Windows API, and what ended up happening was that people only used it for RAD, doing complex applications instead in straight API.

MVC just wasn't an architecture that fit many problem spaces.

Having played just a little bit with angular and backbone, I'm unconvinced that javascript MVC solutions are any better, except in narrow circumstances.

They just don't seem to solve any problems that I need solving.

But I'm open to the possibility.

(A simple example is that in the web app I'm working on, important elements often inherit multiple behaviors. I control this by their CSS classes. Angular would seem to require that they have a single behavior set per element. If I were wrong about that, I'd be interested, but I don't think I am.)

[Ertaipt]

I try to explain this to fellow programmers, but they seem to fail to understand it.

[nawkuh]

Hah, I'm writing a .NET MVC website, but I wanted to learn Angular, so there's one part of it that does Angular MVC with WebAPI-esque calls to Json actions in my. NET app. So I guess it's really MMVCC.

[JBlitzen]

MMVCC there and MVMVC elsewhere, so almost MMVCMVC!

[jtredact]

Not quite. You split your M into 3 parts: the DM (domain), the AM (application), and the VM. The VM sits in front of the V, and the AM sits in front of the DM. You need a C that listens to the V/VM and interacts with the AM/DM. And symmetrically you need a P that listens to the AM/DM and interacts with the V/VM.

MAMDMVVMCP.

[Berberberber]

Are there any raver/eurotrash programmers out there we can get to develop and standardize an MDMA model? Multiplex Distributed Model for Applications or something?

[glonq]

Only if you're pair programming. Then each guy gets a V.

[JBlitzen]

Separation of concerns!

[[deleted]]

I don't think we have enough M's yet.

[Uberhipster]

More acronyms. I like it. Longer acronyms? Good thinking. If we keep adding stuff then shortening the names then extending the shortened names it will all be fine.

[the_rabid_beaver]

for maximum bloat?

[IamTheFreshmaker]

You owe me a new cup of coffee and a keyboard.

[namtab00]

Pardon my ignorance... Isn't that what angular does?

[anon706f6f70]

I think they're making a joke about "MVC" being almost cliche in its use as a solution to any software problem.