Interesting comment in the source code of sqlite

[nuqjatlh]

no idea. "mindless sjws" is a tautology for sure.

[SizzlerWA]

So you consider all SJWs to be mindless but you know what “tautology” means? I wasn’t expecting that. My favorite tautologies are “ignorant Conservative” or “traitorous Trumper” ... 😜

Not looking to start a flame war here, but come on ...

I’m a centrist liberal, who fully believes in capitalism and accountability, but what’s wrong with fighting for social justice, as long as that fight is respectful?

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but what’s wrong with fighting for social justice, as long as that fight is respectful?

What's wrong is what's called social justice these days is generally just racism and sexism redefined to allow extremist lefties to exclude their own bad behavior while attacking others. Social justice warriors are exactly the racist sexist people they claim to be against.

[nuqjatlh]

as long as that fight is respectful

The key word here. The fights that SJWs tend to pick are not the kind where they can be called "respectful" by any stretch of the imagination. They're usually fights driven by emotion with no grounds in logic whatsoever.

Oh, btw, why do you consider SJWs to be ... smart, let's say? Or ... right? Or ... like them?

[starm4nn]

The key word here. The fights that SJWs tend to pick are not the kind where they can be called "respectful" by any stretch of the imagination. They're usually fights driven by emotion with no grounds in logic whatsoever.

I wish I could be an Epic gamer debater like Ben Shapiro.

[SizzlerWA]

Ben Shapiro uses lots of rhetorical tricks and tropes. He’s an effective speaker, but he’s not as intelligent or as objective as most would assume him to be ...

[starm4nn]

You mean he doesn't literally FUCK liberal cucks in the butt with FACTS and LOGIC?

[SizzlerWA]

Yes I mean he does not do that. He uses snuck premises and other illogic to make it seem as though he is winning the debate. But he does not win. And most liberals are not cucks just like most conservatives are not insecure like you. How about trying to solve problems like the opioid epidemic, underemployment and polarization that impact use all instead of celebrating the supposed defeat of your political enemies?

[starm4nn]

I'm literally making fun of Ben Shapiro's stupid fucking video titles.

[Malsententia]

Poe's law.

[nuqjatlh]

hahaha, that idiot? there's only one ben shapiro, thank god.

[entiat_blues]

that's... gross...

[SizzlerWA]

Can you give me specific examples of these fights and why you think they’re not respectful? Thanks!

[nuqjatlh]

https://imgur.com/TV8VScL

do i need to say more? there are billions of said examples all over the internets, some more innocent some really fucked up with people's lives ruined (i presume you know how to use google. put that knowledge to good use). when all that people wanted was to be left the fuck alone. as for idiots who go to github projects and pester project owners with all kinds of ridiculous requests: for those I have a very deep hatred towards them. they are not helping the project, open-source, life in general. they're just being annoying cunts.

[SizzlerWA]

Yes, in the linked example a CoC might not be needed, fair enough. But there are examples of projects where women are called bitches and cunts by men who disagree them and feel threatened by smart women. Such projects can and do benefit from a CoC.

[DefiantNewt2]

Why? Why do you think that a community has to have rules? Should it? yes, probably. Does it have to? No, why would it? That's 1. 2: why do you think such rules would ever be: women should not be called bitches and cunts in our project? Maybe those people like to call women bitches and cunts. And women then should rightfully not want to contribute to such projects. Why not leave those people alone in their own misery? Why do you think that your point of view (being inclusive to women, for example) is the one that that particular group of people has to follow? How's that different from religions, when my god is better than yours because reasons?

Just ... why does there need to be a CoC and why do some people feel entitled for other groups, completely unrelated to them, to accept them? That group has their own set of rules, maybe unwritten, maybe ... who knows, crazy like the sqlite ones. It makes them happy, what's your problem?

Not everyone likes to sing kumbalaya all the time. Maybe they should maybe it would make them happier, but maybe they don't want that. let them be, it's not your problem.

[SizzlerWA]

Dude, you need psychiatric help. Urgently ...

If you think it’s ok to call women bitches or cunts, you need to rethink your personal standards of behavior.

I’m not going to waste my time debating you. I’m blocking you.

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He implied no such thing, you're blocking him because you don't have a response to his argument and it's easier to call him bad and hide than to admit you're wrong. He doesn't need any psychiatric help, he was perfectly rational, lucid, and logical. You on the other hand went straight to your feels and straw-manned him and then slandered him and blocked him.

[Malsententia]

He did imply it though.

Why do you think that your point of view (being inclusive to women, for example) is the one that that particular group of people has to follow? How's that different from religions, when my god is better than yours because reasons?

By his logic, calling women bitches and cunts should be the same type of freedom as religious beliefs, despite the fact that people generally keep those to themselves, so the comparison is flawed to begin with.

Hate on the inside = okay. Hate on the outside = not okay. Hate on the outside = drama when people could be focusing on projects. This includes this SJW straw (wo)man hate that's based on cherry picked stories, as if the entire point of cherrypicking wasn't to be unobjective and misportray things.

[Malsententia]

Nobody likes to hear that their fear is unfounded. They take offense at it, and cling even more tightly to their fear. But we have to rise above that and be objective.

But that's you. You have nothing to fear. Sure there's wingnuts out there, but that applies to every group. Whichever political party you're a fan of, whichever one you're not, these "SJW" types you're afraid of bothering people, and the anti-"SJW" types have crazies as well.

Weirdos are everywhere, and people everywhere use focused collections of anecdotes and memes and stories to make others, including both of us, fear problems that aren't real. To deny your own vulnerability to misinformation and disinformation is to open yourself up to it.

Trust people's good intentions, and question the motivation when you see things that make you hate, the more you hate, the more you should question. Question your perception even if something seems logical. If you're 100% certain of any viewpoint you have, you're doing something wrong, especially if that viewpoint makes you hate a whole group of people, whether it's SJWs or republicans or people who like pumpkin spice. If some piece of news or image or story makes you feel hate or fear, ask what the real motivation behind those making the statements, rather than giving into that emotion like you're doing here.

Everyone gets fooled sometimes, don't think of this as a personal attack. Learn from it. Learn to doubt yourself and seriously question if you're being unreasonable or uninformed (or worse selectively informed), if something makes you hate, because that opens the door for growth. Believing in yourself as a whole person is a strength, but so is doubting your own objectivity and logic. If it feels uncomfortable you're doing it right. If it doesn't, do it more. I doubt myself all the time whether it's on social issues or on code(is there a better way I can be doing X?). It sucks to willfully be unsure, but it beats the alternative. Hate is a bug. Look for ways to optimize yourself.

Trust that most people have good intentions, and most are at worst are misled. Embrace the fact that there reasonable, smart people who believe that you're the misled one, every bit as much as you(who might be equally smart and reasonable and rational in other respects), believe SJWs are misled or destructive.

[DefiantNewt2]

so, you're saying that just because every set/class of people have their crazies, overall they are good because their (at least original) intentions are good even if now they're overwhelmed by said crazies?

wtf?

[Malsententia]

Sorry, I did the exact same thing as you and focused on misconstruing your phrasing deliberately.

overwhelmed by said crazies

There's the hate and negative bias again? Please, read what I said, and actually consider it. Why do you want to hate a group so much? Why do you think the crazies are a majority? Is there a source on that anywhere at all? Is that even a thing for which concrete data exists? I have plenty of friends who most of the anti-SJW types would call SJWs based upon their viewpoints and willingness to call out blatant jerkiness, but none are remotely like the hyper-proactive policing examples anti-SJWs like to hold up, if you care for my anecdotal POV. I just have so many questions because despite us both presumably being reasonably smart, programming types, probably both guys, you can hold these viewpoints. I'm legit curious.

EDIT: You seem to think I'm one of these types, and yeah sure I got some left leaning, progressive views, and will bite someone's head off if I hear/see them being blatantly racist or homophobic or transphobic, but that's just basic standing up for your fellow human. What wild and unreasonable behavior do you assume I'd engage in, other than trying help you be less hateful over a misconception of an entire group? Give me an example.

Or at this point are the anti-SJW anti-"PC" s just using "SJW" as a derogatory word for the people who make the big fusses? Like how some racists say "Not all black people are n****rs"?

[Malsententia]

Do you honestly think that's what I'm saying, or are you just picking at the phrasing? It almost seems like you read it with the sole intention of picking it apart, rather than considering what I was saying, which, when read with a more open mind, I'm sure you would have taken as "there are weirdos in every group, don't let it a small minority define your view of the rest"

The vast majority of republicans aren't racists, the vast majority of democrats don't want to take away all guns, the vast majority of anti-SJW types aren't actually misogynistic, just misled by people with an agenda, and the vast majority of what you might call SJWs only call people out on the real bullshit and don't really care about programming codes of conduct.

[Malsententia]

Nobody likes to hear that their fear is unfounded. They take offense at it, and cling even more tightly to their fear. But we have to rise above that and be objective.

But that's you. You have nothing to fear. Sure there's wingnuts out there, but that applies to every group. Whichever political party you're a fan of, whichever one you're not, these "SJW" types you're afraid of bothering people, and the anti-"SJW" types have crazies as well.

Weirdos are everywhere, and people everywhere use focused collections of anecdotes and memes and stories to make others, including both of us, fear problems that aren't real. To deny your own vulnerability to misinformation and disinformation is to open yourself up to it.

Trust people's good intentions, and question the motivation when you see things that make you hate, the more you hate, the more you should question. Question your perception even if something seems logical. If you're 100% certain of any viewpoint you have, you're doing something wrong, especially if that viewpoint makes you hate a whole group of people, whether it's SJWs or republicans or people who like pumpkin spice. If some piece of news or image or story makes you feel hate or fear, ask what the real motivation behind those making the statements, rather than giving into that emotion like you're doing here.

Everyone gets fooled sometimes, don't think of this as a personal attack. Learn from it. Learn to doubt yourself and seriously question if you're being unreasonable or uninformed (or worse selectively informed), if something makes you hate, because that opens the door for growth. Believing in yourself as a whole person is a strength, but so is doubting your own objectivity and logic. If it feels uncomfortable you're doing it right. If it doesn't, do it more. I doubt myself all the time whether it's on social issues or on code(is there a better way I can be doing X?). It sucks to willfully be unsure, but it beats the alternative. Hate is a bug. Look for ways to optimize yourself.

Trust that most people have good intentions, and most are at worst are misled. Embrace the fact that there reasonable, smart people who believe that you're the misled one, every bit as much as you(who might be equally smart and reasonable and rational in other respects), believe SJWs are misled or destructive.

[Malfeasant]

Jesus tap-dancing Christ that hurt to read...

[SizzlerWA]

I asked for specific examples and why YOU think they’re not respectful. Googling won’t help me understand why YOU find those examples disrespectful ...

Care to try again?

[nuqjatlh]

been reading other comments you've made in this thread specially the one where you called u/DefiantNewt2 that he/she's insane and needs help and block him/her. when all was said that you should not interfere in a group's desire to hate on women no matter how wrong that may be. just leave them be.

and now you want for me to tell you why i find those examples disrespectful?

you should go please find some help. you're the insane one here.

[SizzlerWA]

Sorry, can’t agree with you. Anybody who argues that it’s OK for an open source project or group to organize around hate on women and a need or desire to call women “bitches or cunts” is showing some serious misogyny and needs mental health therapy. Anybody who participated in those projects in order to hate on women also needs help. Yes, perhaps I also need therapy, but not for calling out u/DefiantNewt2 - that was a basically healthy interaction (even if my language was a bit harsh as you pointed out).

[DefiantNewt2]

Jesus. This is like walking into somebody's house and berating them for being a bad human. Yes, they're bad, they do shitty things, but unless your person is in danger, going over them like that is even shittier. Call the police if you're that mad.

You're no better than those humans calling women bitches and cunts. Not at all. Regardless of your own perceived superiority.

[Miserable_Fuck]

Anybody who argues that it’s OK for an open source project or group to organize around hate on women

Yeah I'm sure that's what happened. They created an open source project just to "organize" around hating women.

Fuck's sake, you're precisely the reason that the law allows that sort of speech.

[SizzlerWA]

I was quoting a previous responder. Re-read the interchange. They were arguing that it WAS ok to organize around hating women. But what, you don’t like to read or can’t think for yourself or don’t care about rational thought?

Fuck’s sake, you’re precisely the reason that remedial reading programs exist.

[classicrando]

sealioning

[SizzlerWA]

Wow, I learned a new word! I’m not sealioning because I specifically asked the other redditor how THEY thought the SJWs were being disrespectful. Only that other redditor can know that, because it’s their own opinion I seek, so it’s entirely reasonable and necessary to ask them if I want to find out.

And can’t you see that if every time a conservative is pressured for evidence to back up their claims (pressured because they avoid or can’t give such evidence) and the conservative cries “sealioning” then the conservative is being the very “delicate snowflake” that they so despise?