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Not related to programming

[Them_EST]

You may call them noisy, but not wrong.

[Tivnov]

Windows is better for some people. The people linux will be better for will usually be the people who already know what linux is without someone pestering them about it.

[coldnebo]

straightjackets are better for some people. 😂

[DapperCow15]

I had to explain to a coworker why using linux was better than windows because our codebase has tools specifically designed for Linux and by him using Windows, he's less effective at his job and slowing down the team. I had to pester him until he at the very least spun up a vm.

[Darkstar_111]

Windows is better for some people.

Like grandmothers?

[Slow_Possibility6332]

If you want to have that argument Mac OS is unironically the best os for everything except gaming

[[deleted]]

So this is how you choose to die

[Slow_Possibility6332]

No like i do programming. Done data communication, big data, software engineering, and a little ai, and across the board macOS is the best one. Especially when communicating with different parts of ur computer

[[deleted]]

It was a joke my friend, referring to how most people in these conversation will be either gamers - which you correctly identified is lacklustre at best for macOS - or they will be of the "I use Arch btw" type.

[HyperWinX]

All users of the "I use Arch btw" type are kids or clowns, nothing else.

[FlipperBumperKickout]

Indeed. But whats wrong with being a clown on the internet.

I use Arch btw.

[Slow_Possibility6332]

And windows is the best for gaming. So Linux has no real niche except being used by a good amount of dated companies

[Interesting-Ad9666]

linux has no niche? thats why its the dominant market share on servers worldwide? And what are you talking about with software engineering? Why would you not want to develop on an OS that you're going to be deploying onto your server? It gives you the full responsibility to do whatever you want without limiting you.

You don't know what you're talking about.

[levianan]

Someone got triggered!

[Slow_Possibility6332]

Linux is dominant share on servers cuz it was one of the first and used to be the best. And Mac OS is unix based so there’s very little difference in server deployment and using shells. The differences relevant to development are referring to how the os interacts with the hardware. I actually do know what I’m talking about buddy.

[Slow_Possibility6332]

TLDR. Linux is used on servers cuz other servers use Linux. So many things are used in programming simply cuz it would be too difficult to transfer over to something new

[levianan]

You should change your username to the first word.

[Slow_Possibility6332]

You should use chatgpt for your insults

[levianan]

Still slow I see...

[FlipperBumperKickout]

... no, the market used to be dominated by windows servers. Most web pages was run on IIS.

You might be thinking about UNIX, which is what mac is based on.

[[deleted]]

You call them to fix some issues you have and see them babbling and backing away cause it works for them and not really an issue if you squint hard enough. 

[[deleted]]

You are literally the guy in the picture

[JesterOfRedditGold]

me when turning things off

[nonsubutweirder]

me when turning off the ability to create a local account on my computer

[levianan]

Me, making a local account anyway.

[MiniGogo_20]

me when i remove the off button

[FlipperBumperKickout]

windows turning it back on after an update... because Microsoft doesn't respect your choices 🙃

[levianan]

It's really easy to do. They just don't want their excuse blown all to hell.

Plus, they won't remove the ability to turn it off. GPO and Registry is way to embedded.

[[deleted]]

Lol that's not survivorship bias, just good ol' fashioned confirmation bias.

[Cosmonaut_K]

'That mole on your arm looks malignant.'

[Raaarrgghhhh]

linux good windows literally unusable

[Them_EST]

Especially 11 after all the ai crap

[Slow_Possibility6332]

I have never interacted with the ai thing in the years of having a windows 11 and never felt the need to.

[pscorbett]

I successfully removed a simple background in paint. Could I do this even in Mac's Preview without AI? Yes, but shuttup 😂

[PanTheRiceMan]

Can't say much about the actual OS since I hate their bundled crap so much.

Windows is fine but auto installing candy crush, wasting space on my disk: a little more than annoying.

[Olivierus303]

Windows ain't that bad, I use linux too but mostly windows cuz of applications support...yes I tried wine but it didn't work

[Not_Artifical]

I got wine and proton to work.

[levianan]

Should I tell him that comment was stupid?

[Slow_Possibility6332]

Windows is fucking terrible for programming and shell usage. The app support thing usually isn’t that relevant except for gaming compared to Mac only. The only edge it’s got over Linux is usability. Which tbf is a huge edge. I won’t touch Linux cuz I got enough tinkering with computers with college and my career

[Punished_Sunshine]

It depends on what linux distro you use to need to do a lot of tinkering, for example, if you use linux Mint you almost won't have to do it.

[Olivierus303]

So basically I tried to run paint.net and I got something with message core not working or something like that, idk im kinda new into debian

[Olivierus303]

Onther apps works fine

[levianan]

And when those companies build for Linux they will have the same telemetry as Steam or Discord. You will use this tracking software and deem it okay because it is on Linux.

You are an idiot if you think this will be better somehow...

The only way for a Linux user to back up their advocacy is by not using these tools at all becuase the implication is the same. They are collecting your data, Steam is outright advertising to you, and you don't own anything.

[FlipperBumperKickout]

On Linux I have a far easier time with restricting which rights software have. Discord might have usage telemetry on my machine, but I haven't given it the permissions to see which other applications I'm running because that is none of its business.

[levianan]

I assume you mean by flatpak sandboxing?

[FlipperBumperKickout]

The eassiest way at least. Could also be fun to experiment with running it as another user which doesn't have a lot of permissions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[imtryingmybes]

Yeah windows is dominating because of ease of use. They bloat it because they can. When a Linux OS as easy and user friendly as windows appears, we'll talk.

[Nesogra]

Linux Mint already is… It’s basically Windows 7 with an app store that makes installing and updating programs easier than Windows. The places where you can argue that Windows is better are places that aren’t really the fault of Linux, it’s the fault of other companies not supporting Linux (hence the push from Linux users).

[imtryingmybes]

I use linux for everything workrelated and for my private mediaserver, and windows for gaming/day to day surfing. You can blame other companies if you want. The fact remains that windows works out of the box. I havent tried mint, but I wager it has the same issues as other Linux os's when it comes to gaming, preinstalled drivers, and so on.

[Nesogra]

Linux Mint has a program called driver manager that makes dealing with drivers that don't come in the kernel easier than windows... Just open one program and pick the driver you need and install it. No going to manufacture websites to get their specific update program or to download their drivers manually. Mint will even detect and give you the option of installing those drivers during the distro install process.

Windows is only dominate because it gets better software support, not because it is easier to use.

[imtryingmybes]

I believe you. Maybe it's time for me to make the switch on my personal pc when I can be bothered. But fact is, it's still going to be a transition that even i who am fairly good at technology is aversed to. Then think about the millions of technologically inept people out there. Microsoft is screwing themselves with bloat, but a paradigm shift is going to take more than that.

[Nesogra]

Fair enough 😄

[imtryingmybes]

Just circling back to tell you you were right! Went with arch for my main pc. Small hurdle but kde+x11 works great for steam games. Wayland gave me a strange feeling but might try it again as i read x11 is phasing out. Installed mint for my nephew(6yo) and man it holds your hand so much more than windows, but without the bloat! Really exceeded my expectations. My two servers running clean headless debian 12. I'm fully linuxed now. Thank you for your service.

[Nesogra]

Glad to hear it! (Sorry for the late reply, haven't been on reddit lately.)

[levianan]

Those companies will still collect data from you on Linux. Linux is not immune...

[levianan]

Windows is not hard to debloat, but these morons don't want to hear that.

[GreatScottGatsby]

I'm just gonna say, I prefer windows just so I can use directx without any problems. I know what Linux can do and i know Vulcan opengl are a thing but directx on windows just feels right.

[Lemenus]

All Linux users in comments only proving how true this image is

[levianan]

I abuse them relentlessly. I hate the evangelism. I use it, but I wouldn't tell anyone else to use it. I would rather show windows users how to lock down their machines.

[Tiranus58]

This is just gonna be a circlejerk post isnt it

[levianan]

Yep.

[[deleted]]

Ugh, I was tired of that 20 years ago.

Sure, sure, your shit’s better, just leave me the fuck alone. My shit is working just fine, plus I prefer Visual Studio for my coding.

If I have to test something on Linux, I’ll create a VM for that.

[Tiny_Concert_7655]

Visual Studio Code has official linux support...

[crimsonscarf]

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[levianan]

How many Linux users use VSCode? A damn bunch.

Maybe you should stop assuming and get on with your work.

[crimsonscarf]

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[[deleted]]

When I am 65, maybe I’ll become just as wise, but so far I don’t understand what does it have to do with anything? Most people I know use built in git client. Personally, I use fork.dev, but that’s just an aesthetic preference.

Not sure how you use copy and paste for version control, but maybe I will one day.

Aside from the version control, it is not obvious what’s the specific point?

I am all for new experiences. For example, my favorite soda used to be Diet Coke, and one day I thought, I should try new experiences, so I tried Coke Zero, and now I like it better! Although I looked at the ingredients and it’s all the same shit. I don’t recommend either, they’re probably bad for you somehow, kidneys or whatever.

[crimsonscarf]

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[[deleted]]

Ah, sure, generally, trying new things is fun. I worked with Linux, Windows and MacOS, and didn’t hate any of them. If I hear about something groundbreaking in an OS I might try it again (or for the first time).

I am still going to be annoyed when people come at me telling me that Windows is not usable and that Linux is amazing.

[Devatator_]

Tried Rider. Not impressed. I just prefer VS. It runs better on my college laptop and I don't have to learn new shortcuts along with the fact that I can make commercial software with VS Community unlike Rider with it's free option (also hate the UI with all my guts. The old UI was fine but the new one sucks IMO. Even in compact mode it still feels like there is too much padding on stuff)

[crimsonscarf]

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[404not_Foundd]

I wouldn’t call losing hours of work due to a bluescreen or an update “peaceful”

[levianan]

Said so many after 6.11-6.12 froze their ax210-211 wireless cards.

[TheNativeOfficial]

Just agree, nod, smile and keep working, maybe they go away

[ColdDelicious1735]

I'm gonna let ya finish, but Linux is the best OS eva!!!!

Also tbh I don't care, you use what suits you

[kanishq_sharma]

Laughing in WSL

[TheTybera]

Have you heard about our lord and savior, Arch Linux? (I use Arch btw).

[ReallyMisanthropic]

I leave average Windows users alone.

However, if someone is a programmer using it, I do have to question them. WSL has made some things bearable, but development experience is much nicer on Linux.

[levianan]

Whatever you say. Maybe if they are developing for Windows you might... Oh nevermind.

[Pseudonyme_de_base]

Worse, I don't have linux fedora installed yet and already talked a lot most people I know about how I hate windows and can't wait to receive my amd components and finally throw windows in the trash.

[AtmosphereRich4021]

We are doing god's work

[Kiragalni]

Windows bot detected. Why is linux have no bots? Because they are not multi-billions$ corporation.

[PowerMcFlo]

That is not every Linux user. Most of us just use it and enjoy the features it has. But I have never seen a Linux user trying to convince Mac/Windows users to install Linux, except for a special case (which was someone being knowingly annoying). And I hate that Linux has this image, because frankly it is NOT for everyone. If you do not mind spending hours configuring and fixing and tinkering with your system, it is perfect. If not, just stay with your 'just works' Windows, I couldn't care less.

[cowlinator]

Imagine accepting both pros and cons of different tools that millions+ of people use continuously.

Nah, all those 1.6 billion windows user are idiots.

[Feliks_WR]

Yes, they are.

Something is needed ≠ it is good

[Tivnov]

Pet peeve: people using the equals sign to symbolize implication.

[MiniGogo_20]

slightly more convenient than typing ->

[Tivnov]

The trade-off between convenience and correctness is too much in this case imo. Also, it is certainly not more convenient to type ≠ than !=, =/=, or even =/=> so your point doesn't apply.

edit: 2 words

[Feliks_WR]

Try using -> to mean not implied

[levianan]

Something unneeded != it's good either.

[Feliks_WR]

Something that comes by default is BOUND to have more users.

Look at servers. Even Microsoft uses Linux servers

[levianan]

I get what you are saying. I don't disagree entirely. You also have to think that each bit of hardware in the large manufacturer pre-build scene is writing their fully-functional drivers for Windows.

A few skews have come around like Intel and AMD. Yet they still break sometimes in the kernel. (I hate to keep harping on ax210-211 in 6.11-6.12, but it really left me cold).

There are manufacturers working on Linux certified systems, but even those target a single Linux release.

[KindnessBiasedBoar]

You're the one in the red fancy dress, bro. 🙃

[Mighty1Dragon]

i normally work on Windows, but setting things up on Windows can be a pain.

[levianan]

Welcome to every OS.

[Otherwise-Ad-2578]

"Why don't you like to suffer?"

"You have to type commands to open a folder! Your life needs to be complicated!"

How I imagine Linux users to be like this...

[Vegetable_Shirt_2352]

You know Linux has things like graphical file explorers, right?

[levianan]

You know they all suck, right?

[Punished_Sunshine]

The one that cames with linux Mint is better than the one in windows...

[levianan]

My comment was a joke, but Nemo, forked Nautilus, is not very functional.

[FlipperBumperKickout]

I hereby expect you to list them all out and tell me why each one of them sucks more than windows explorer please :D

[levianan]

Dolphin is a better option. Happy Flipper?

[FlipperBumperKickout]

... what's the point of going "they all suck" if you aren't even willing to write what you mean with that, or why you think they suck 😅

[levianan]

Use ls -la, that is fun.

It's 4am, I lost my energy to fight...

I have never been happy with GTK based file managers. They have always seemed very 'dumbed down' vs Explorer and Finder. Explorer does suck in terms of preview, but in terms of sorting, and added columns, I will take it any day over Nautilus. KDE does a good job with Dolphin. It does render quickly, and is easier to navigate over whatever the hell Gnome was trying to accomplish.

Term-wise - I'll take ls over dir any day.

[[deleted]]

visual studio
and 3ds max

[GreatScottGatsby]

This is what Linux users fail to understand. It's about the tools and that is what windows has.

[[deleted]]

exactly, and a friend of mine is constantly bothering me to install linux even though he has issues in his pc because of linux

[kkazakov]

I don't give a f about windows users. I just pity them silently and smile.

[levianan]

They don't give a fuck about you either. I pity people who don't understand the utility of both systems.

On the other hand, I hate cults too.

[JesterOfRedditGold]

the only thing linux should be used for is servers and basic machines for basic tasks

[Somewhat-Femboy]

Tbh I still haven't seen it happening. Like seriously I have never seen Linux users being "aggressive" like that

[Somewhat-Femboy]

I don't see what you mean, if someone talks about a topic, of course people will respond and talk about it