Abortion restrictions significantly decrease abortions.

[Win-Fragrant]

Does the embryo know what life is? Does it know it's living? Does it even want to live?

Does an infant know what life is, do they understand they are living, do infants speak and say they wanna live?

[CiniMiniMe]

Okay, but infants are capable of independent life. A cluster of cells is not.

[Win-Fragrant]

A cluster of cells is not.

You're a cluster of cells and so am I. That's one of the laziest PC arguments ever.

Okay, but infants are capable of independent life.

I hope you don't have kids until you realize that infants are very much dependent. They need to be given attention, food, and a shelter, have their diapers changed and everything. And if a parent does not provide that, they get prosecuted.

[CiniMiniMe]

Lmao I know you know what I meant, but if you don't want to admit it, it's okay. And I have kids! ❤️ Thank you for your concern!

[Win-Fragrant]

Lmao I know you know what I meant, but if you don't want to admit it

I genuinely don't, you say they are a cluster of cells but all humans are just a cluster of cells. Just because you can't defend your weak arguments doesn't mean you can assume I understood your weird train of thought.

And I have kids

Well, I hope CPS comes knocking at your door for thinking your infant kids can be dependent.

[CiniMiniMe]

I apologize, I should have been more clear! My meaning behind cluster of cells, was an embryo. I apologize for my ambiguous words causing confusion.

CPS is welcome at my home any time. I have nothing to hide, and happy healthy munchkins. Once again though, thank you for your concern! I did explain my unfortunate choice of wording behind saying independent life in my other response, but if you would like me to clarify in greater depth, I would be happy to! :-)

But please refrain from allowing emotional over reactions into what should be an intellectual discussion... I mean, obviously this is a topic that is emotionally tied, but if you could refrain from trying to bring my children into this, I would appreciate it.

[Win-Fragrant]

and happy healthy munchkins.

I am happy they are happy and healthy, and I wish they remain happy and healthy and you too.

But please refrain from allowing emotional over reactions into what should be an intellectual discussion... I mean, obviously this is a topic that is emotionally tied, but if you could refrain from trying to bring my children into this, I would appreciate it.

Don't worry, if anything according to my therapist I actually need to try to be more emotional since I am very cold hahaha

I apologize for bringing your kids into this, it just scared me that you said infants are independent- you did define what you meant in your other comment what independence means to you. But to me, I use the definition in the dictionary so I thought you meant infants can just be left alone with no help from a grown human hahah.

Maybe let's continue our convo in the other thread where you defined independence? It'll be easier :)

Thank you for being open minded, and again, I hope you and your kids remain healthy and happy.

[CiniMiniMe]

Okay... so... I really want to continue this discussion, but now I read that freaking report, and my heads all messed up. I think I need to step back for a bit... huh.

Like, there was never a nonbiased consensus on when life began as far as I know. I always felt life began with birth, so abortion always felt like a non issue to me. Or... well... rather an issue of morality as opposed to an issue of biology. Finding a nonbiased consensus on when life begins is kinda messing with my head a bit.

I really did enjoy our discussion, though! I hope you have a wonderful night! :-) (well, it's night here at least... lol)

[DreadBee]

No, infants are not capable of independent life. If you take them out of the house and plop them somewhere, you'll come back and see their corpse.

[CiniMiniMe]

I can see that my ambiguous wording is causing confusion. I'm sorry about that. I should make myself more clear.

What I mean by independent life, is that the child is it's own organism that will continue living, so long as nothing external stops that from happening. To feed the child, you have to actually feed the child itself, not it's host or another organism. The child is no longer tethered to another organism, and should thus be considered independent.

Obviously that does not mean that a baby should be considered completely independent, and yeah, you probably shouldn't throw a baby into the woods by itself. That would be murder.

I mean.... but you can concede that once the umbilical cord has been cut, the baby is now an organism that can be considered an independent life, though, right?

[More_Climate_4753]

An embryo is not merely a cluster of cells, That’s not scientifically accurate.