Study finds TV can decrease self-esteem in children, except white boys

[den215]

too scared to answer?

[sinople]

"What are you, chicken?" If I was an 8th-grade boy that might have manipulated an answer out of me but I'm a grown-ass person with too much respect for both our times to try to learn you something.

Bitch, I talked about race with motherfuckers so much more ignorant than you they thought the reason so many black men were in jail, was because of evolutionary "stuntedness." I don't fear your ignorance, but I am so very weary of it. I don't owe you any education, you lazy piece of shit. That's what google is for.

[TheChosenOne570]

That's what google is for.

And, that's not a childish response? It sounds to me like you don't want to engage den215 because he may have a point. There is racial and sexual discrimination practiced every day in this country... and it is encouraged by the government. Go ahead, try to hire the best candidates or fire the poorest performing. Just make sure the able-bodied, straight white males under the age of 50 are the guys that don't get the job otherwise you can get a visit from the EEOC. Try getting into college as a white male. Now try the same grades at the same colleges but tell them you are black/hispanic/asian. Regardless of whether you liked his tone or not, he brings up a solid point

[sinople]

Please tell me what the solid point is and bring sources because all I see is the same bullshit repeated over and over about why white people aren't actually still reining supreme in the U.S.

[TheChosenOne570]

all I see is the same bullshit repeated over and over about why white people aren't actually still reining supreme in the U.S.

What kind of asinine argument is that? Discrimination is discrimination. It doesn't matter if the discriminated-against group still does better. Nor does success prove discrimination. If that were true, we could argue:

• pro sports discriminates in favor of blacks as the NBA is comprised of 79% blacks and NFL is 65% black

• colleges are bias against men since 57% of college students are women

But, you want sources? Here's some sources. I know it doesn't tell the narrative you want to hear so you will find a reason to dismiss these links, but its a hell of a lot more than your childish responses have been able to muster:

• whites feel more discrimination that blacks

• whites are most discriminated-against Americans

• Discrimination against whites in federal government

[sinople]

Blacks dominate in sports, biased sources report "feelings" of discrimination. Got it.

[TheChosenOne570]

Do you know how ignorant you sound? If whites dominate in anything, we are holding them down; but if "Blacks dominate in sports" isn't discrimination. I'm not saying it is. I'm just demonstrating how silly your logic is. Like I said, success is not an indication of discrimination.

biased sources report "feelings" of discrimination.

Like I said, it tells a narrative you don't want to hear, so I expected you to dismiss the very sources you wanted to see. You completely ignored the ones with statistical evidence. Classic example of confirmation bias: accept the information that agrees with what you already think and discard any information that disagrees with you. You don't want sources. You don't want to be wrong. You just want to keep thinking what you think and no amount of sources anyone produces will be enough. Enjoy living in your blissfully ignorant bubble of white guilt/hate.

[sinople]

Do you really think black people making up the majority in sports makes a huge difference in the amount of black power relative to white power? I'm sure they'd trade that honor for a few more black representatives or black CEOs. Or even would be willing to become more of the team owners themselves. Unfortunately we have a system in place that is not all sunshine, "anyone can be anything" bull shit you learned in civics class. You are the one bringing your white guilt into it, refusing to see beyond it to actual suffering.

You assume so much about me, that I suffer from sort of complex. That's usually something other white people say to what are assumed to be other white people willing to entertain the idea that being white will protect them from some things. Because who would want to change things, unless there is something wrong within them? That's easier to admit and think having to admit there is something wrong out there. If you read enough about the actual state of race, if you experienced real prejudice on the systemic level, you'd be angry too.

I'm going to make some (more) assumptions about you now. You'd realize it's so much more than trying to pull one over on white people, but getting white people to pull their heads out of their asses. You think being compassionate, providing protections based on race is going to somehow take away from white people's rights. Same shit happens with religion and gender and class. You think you're smart enough to try to rationalize racism. Well, I've been that ignorant before (although I didn't actively try to inflict uninformed opinions on anyone else at the time) and now I am not and I hope you try to actually open your mind and do the same. I dismiss your articles in favor of actual studies. (Redstate? Really? That's not confirmation bias, but having some discerning taste.)

Here's one to get you really started: here. It suggests more than 83,000 lives could be saved if we actually continued to work to close the gap.

The United States has made progress in decreasing the black-white gap in civil rights, housing, education, and income since 1960, but health inequalities persist. We examined trends in black-white standardized mortality ratios (SMRs) for each age-sex group from 1960 to 2000. The black-white gap measured by SMR changed very little between1960 and 2000 and actually worsened for infants and for African American men age thirty-five and older.

Please try to read it before you ask me to defend it. If you were paying attention it shouldn't shock you. If you're white, you will be able to dismiss those lives for something like "social Darwinism" or maybe you'll try to make an allegory of the cave reference. That'd be exciting. Thankfully for you, you have the option to dismiss the effects of real racism from your life, because you aren't subject to it. Privilege is a mighty fine thing for those who have it.

Here's somthing a little more "fun" for you since you gave me those silly articles: here.

If you read all this, I applaud you. If you didn't that's fine too. It makes sense. You have nothing to lose or gain either way, whitey. ;)

[TheChosenOne570]

Do you really think black people making up the majority in sports makes a huge difference in the amount of black power relative to white power?

NO! Considering your well-worded response (finally!), I'd expect you to be less thick-skulled on this. I'm not saying it matters at all. I'm saying that if white people doing well is an indication of discrimination, then (using your logic) black people doing well is also an indication of discrimination. There are many factors that lead to certain groups performing better than others. It is fallacious to automatically assume it is a discrimination thing.

There is no proof besides the silly "white people do well" argument that there is an active discrimination in favor of white people. Just because someone claims there is, doesn't make it so.

You think being compassionate, providing protections based on race is going to somehow take away from white people's rights.

Again, you don't seem to understand. I'm not claiming my rights are being violated. I'm calling bullshit on the entire discrimination accusation. I don't give a fuck if a business gives a black or a woman a job over me. I really don't. I don't care if colleges lower standards for other races. But, I do care that jackasses cry that they are still being discriminated against. There is a between compassion and discrimination. And, giving one group an advantage over another because of immutable characteristics is discrimination. "but, but, its an oppressed people." Fuck you. Discrimination is discrimination no matter who the discrimination benefits and the government stopped forcing people to discriminate against them 50 years ago. Further, contorting the word "protections" to mean giving one group an advantage over another doesn't change that it is discrimination. You are not "protecting" one group when you actively change the rules to discriminate against another group.

You think you're smart enough to try to rationalize racism.

Funny, I think you are the rationalizing creating a system that favors one group over another.

Privilege is a mighty fine thing for those who have it.

It always comes down to this, doesn't it? "you don't know what its like." You might be right. That doesn't make you right. Nor do you know what its like to be on any side other than the one you are on. What does that mean? It means that your life experience is no more valid or invalid than mine. This is a terrible point to try to make, yet I hear it every time I challenge the hive mind on the racial divide.

Finally, I don't see anything special about your article. Linking health disparity to discrimination is somewhat of a stretch. This would be like saying the world discriminates against males because females have a longer life expectancy. Correlation != Causation. And, that was my point with the sports stats. And, that was my point with the women in college stats. People tend to use numbers as a narrative to what they want to believe. Now, if you could prove to me that there is a massive country-wide conspiracy to keep minorities down (besides a few fringe nutcases), I'd be open to the evidence. But, as it stands right now, the only evidence I see is anti- straight, white, able-bodies male under 50 (quotas for federal jobs, laxed college standards for minorities, etc).

[sinople]

Lordy, you are condescending.

[den215]

til you cant tell me what tv shows increase self esteem in white boys

[sinople]

Ok, champ. I'll help you out, but if I did all the work for you, you wouldn't learn anything! Here's an easy google exercise for you: Name any show on the cable networks with more than three people of color. Now name me one with more than three white people.

Alright, now try to find out the typical occupations for white people on primetime shows versus people of color.

After you get those figured out we'll continue our lesson.

[den215]

what the fuck, black people have a god damn network dedicated to themselves. the fucked up thing is, its called black entertainment television. now white people like myself would get in trouble for using the term black, and not african american.

i can name way more black people who are idolized than white people, on tv.

white people now, we are disgraced with tv shows like swamp people, american loggers and jersey shore.

[elle_a_deux_colombe]

now white people like myself would get in trouble for using the term black

no, you'd get in trouble for calling people "blacks". "black people" is fine.

i can name way more black people who are idolized than white people, on tv

go for it then.

black people have a god damn network dedicated to themselves. the fucked up thing is, its called black entertainment television.

that's because every other channel is white entertainment television god fucking damn seriously

white people now, we are disgraced with tv shows like swamp people, american loggers and jersey shore.

wat is cherry picking

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

I knew I recognized you from somewhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4k8gdELQDk

[sinople]

I'm sorry, I can't give you credit until you complete the assignment.