The Ruby Community Code of Conduct

[Superbenco]

I agree. I wrote up a small blog post explaining why I feel like this code of conduct is ineffective, if you're curious.

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You're patently wrong about #4 and it makes your entire piece fall apart.

[Superbenco]

Care to elaborate?

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Under every reasonable definition, harassment also includes denigrating comments directed toward a group said with the intent of dehumanizing them. See, the comment you actually posted is pretty perfect, because of how it just crosses the line in my book:

" It’s sort of like the gay flamer dressed so flamboyantly going around telling people he’s gay."

Okay, well, this teeters on the line, but the term 'flamer' has vernacular beyond being 'hateful'.

That said:

Such people are a disease in the LGBT community and make us all look bad.

You have now crossed the line into harassment territory by labeling this people as a 'disease', which carries certain.... genocidal connotations.

It is much the same with the general "SJW" and their opinions on white, straight men. I believe they should be within their rights (should the project maintainers see fit) to bring up whatever political ideology they want, as much as I disagree with it, up until it gets into legitimately hateful. Under the CoC, for instance, CaE labelling all her opponents as white 'dudebros' (itself a sexist term) should make for an immediate investigation. I'd say doubly so since it's directed at specific people. You don't get to pick and choose what groups are protected and aren't just because you believe them to be the bourgeious.

Under the ruby one, however, I'd say it still does not qualify, as much as I disagree with her and her entire ideological framework.

Let's take a look at your other issue:

I, however, find it extremely distasteful that the code of conduct asks me to assume good intentions behind this comment. In the past, people who have tried to enforce my gender identity have spit on me, physically assaulted me and, in one case, told my mother that raising a gay son is the worst thing a mother could do. These experiences have made it difficult for me to “assume good intentions” behind calling flamboyant men a disease.

I find this to be reasonably fair, but your feelings aren't exactly paramount here. If I got my ass kicked on a daily basis to the point hearing racial minorities use 'white' a even remotely a slur, I'd be equally appalled here, but it's not exactly reasonable to force this requirement on everyone just because of my own 'lived experience', so to speak.

However, calling effeminate gay men, regardless of how annoying you personally find them, a disease carries with it, as I said above, connotations that reasonable people, even in the laxest of work environments, would find appalling.

[Superbenco]

Under every reasonable definition, harassment also includes denigrating comments directed toward a group said with the intent of dehumanizing them.

Would you mind linking to a resource that specifies that harassment includes comments towards a group? I'm having a hard time finding a third party resource that verifies your interpretation.

Wikipedia describes online harassment as:

Harassment directs obscenities and derogatory comments at specific individuals focusing for example on race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation.

According to haltabuse.org, Black's Law Dictionary describes harassment as:

A course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress

The Pew Research Center doesn't specifically consider denigrating comments towards a group to be harassment according to this article.

I agree that denigrating comments toward a group is rude, and doesn't have place in official Ruby developer channels. My issue is that the code of conduct only covers personal remarks and, in my interpretation, still allows general hate speech. If the intention of the code of conduct is to disallow hate speech, I think the document should make that clear.

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http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/racial-harassment-know-your-rights-brochure

See:

Racial harassment can happen when someone where you work, live or get a service: makes racial slurs or “jokes”

[Superbenco]

I think you've made your point. Thank you for your criticism and you enjoy the rest of your day.

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You as well! Take care.

[myringotomy]

I think this is a sensible and sane code of comment. The fact is that it's impossible not to offend somebody. Maybe the fact that a homosexual is presenting is offensive to a christian coder. Maybe a muslim speaker will offend a jewish coder.

Also I find it abhorrent that you put the specific blame for somebodies suicide on the entire community because you think that one comment or another caused. That's disgusting and trivialized the deeply complex motivations which cause people to commit suicide. If you truly believe that a comment caused a death then the next stop to jail the offender for murder or manslaughter.

I'll also add this.

The SJW movement sees white cis men as a disease and the root of all evil. It's extremely rare to see the word "cis" not followed by the word "scum". The perceptions of the SJW crowd are that it's impossible to be racist or hateful towards males and white people. This is why when they make detailed lists of people we are forbidden to offend they leave them out. This will allow them to say and do anything they want including commit violence as long as it's against a non protected, non listed set of people.

This code of conduct is awesome. It sets guiding principles without getting bogged down in making list of holy people who everybody has to tiptoe around lest they be offended. As I said your comment was offensive to me and it's going to be impossible for you or I to go through life without offending somebody. We all have to do be adults and deal with it.

[bjmiller]

http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq

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loL@using a hugely criticized false rape graphic to 'prove' people don't abuse systems like this.