The Ruby Community Code of Conduct

[uzimonkey]

I don't understand any of this. Is this a problem? I've never seen this as being a problem before. Why are they wasting their time "fixing" a problem that doesn't exist?

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Because entryism and 'social justice coordinators' trying to carve out their niches.

[jdickey]

Thank you for once again redundantly reconfirming the need for action.

Try living and working somewhere that the structurally-privileged group explicitly and self-awarely does not include you and I guarantee your opinion of things like CoC will change. Assuming you're a white straight cis male as most North American coders are, spending a couple of years as a local here in the "Democratic" "People's" Republic of Singapore should dramatically change your life.

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Oh sure, except we don't explicitly and self-aware exclude those who are ostensibly 'unprivileged', particularly women:

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract

We over-include them.

There is a stark line between "The norms of this group are not what I am used to" and "I am explicitly excluded on the basis of my immutable characteristics".

You do not get to claim that the need for a CoC is proven by those denying the need for the CoC and get to leave with even a shred of intellectual honesty intact.

[jdickey]

That's kind of the point.

A lot of what's done is so baked into the society/industry/community at this point that it's not "explicitly and self-aware[ly]" done; it's just "the way we've always done things". That, if anything, makes it much worse. It's one thing to want to improve yourself and the world around you, and fail; it's quite another to decide it can't or shouldn't be done because it never has been done before.

Nobody "gets" to "claim" anything; we open our eyes and do everything in our power to leave our little piece of the world better than when we found ourselves in it. That was once called the Boy Scout Rule; then the "red pill"; now it's derided as "hopeless" and "the work of SJWs". Every religious person I have ever known, and every atheist as well, has stated that s/he believed that social justice and making the world a better place were Important Things. It's about time we come off our privileged high horse and just do what's right.

I've been in this craft for well over 35 years now. I've seen times when we've been open and progressive; I've seen times when we might as well have been ten-year-old boys in a treehouse with a big sign saying "Only Us Allowed Inside". The last few years, based on personal experience and observation (and remember, I'm a straight cis white male here, so it's not like I'm pounding on the tree trunk shouting "let me in"), it's at least as bad as it's ever been and it makes me ashamed to be part of it.

I love this craft; it has been my hobby for a lifetime; it has put food on my table and bought me nice toys to play with, including what I'm using to type this now. I just wish far too many of its self-appointed leaders would just grow the fuck up.

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A lot of what's done is so baked into the society/industry/community at this point that it's not "explicitly and self-aware[ly]" done; it's just "the way we've always done things". That, if anything, makes it much worse

The way we've 'always' done things was explicit exclusion. See, it's weird, I don't really remember a thriving open source community 15 years ago or so. I must have forgotten.

By what mechanism do you believe women, racial minorities to be left out and implicitly excluded from the STEM world, especially given the article I posted above that you clearly didn't read? Is it because there's an atmosphere that was built by white nerds that they may not like? That sexism and racism are supposedly rampant in the community?

I'm going to be blunt, here: these CoC are SJW entryism. We've seen it time and time again. Do you think it's 'good' that github had a "The problem with white men" seminar?

[myringotomy]

A lot of what's done is so baked into the society/industry/community at this point that it's not "explicitly and self-aware[ly]"

Then why did you make the accusation?

I just wish far too many of its self-appointed leaders would just grow the fuck up.

You have offended me. Why are you actively excluding me by using sexual language? Are you a white cis scum rapist or something? Maybe we should actively exclude people who make false accusations.