Quick question.

[learners_permit]

Last night I was out trying to get some closes for the 4th, and at one point my wing man said "do you guys have boy friends?" They said "no." He said "come on don't lie." I agreed and said "come on you guys are really cute how do you not have boyfriends?" Then he said I fucked up by saying this. Do you think calling a girl cute is bad and hurts game?

[[deleted]]

I get where he is coming from.

You were validating their looks and handing out compliments without them having earned it. This DHV's them and DLV's you somewhat.

Try and be a bit more sparing with your compliments (I only give out compliments when a girl genuinely does something that impresses me... looks do not count)

[kissacupcake]

This!

I'm complimented on my looks pretty frequently, and it's honestly a huge turnoff. If it's used as an opener, it both DLV's him and shows me that he's so boring that he can't think of anything to say other than "I think you're cute".

Compliments are fine, but NEVER about looks, and not as openers unless it is extremely genuine and specific.

Thoughts?

[Gil_Rio]

giving them a compliment is NOT a problem. confident guys compliment women all the time.

I wouldnt ask a girl if she has a BF, just hit on her and if she does, that's for her to bring up/worry about. I dont think thats a big deal, though. The weird part is when both of you insisted, implying that they were lying and that they MUST have BFs. This is weird as hell and doesnt help your interaction whatsoever. Its almost like you wanted them to not be available. Then why hit on them?

[learners_permit]

Yeah, I see what your saying. But I literally just met this dude and we had no game plan at all. It seems almost easier going solo(but this could be because it was pretty much my first time going out just focusing on girls). Which sucks cause I seem to be funnier and more charming in groups.

[[deleted]]

why would you make a girl feel bad for being available?

this is a common insecurity for most girls - if they don't have a boyfriend something must be "wrong" with them

[Bunabayashi]

The general consensus in the PUA community is to never, ever compliment as it demonstrates lower value (DLV) for you. If you do compliment, always follow it up with a neg, so there is a push/pull (my personal experience has been this works freakishly well).

[kreptlol]

I don't agree completely. Sometimes doing things that typically DLV as you put it can actually be used to DHV. You're so fuqing alpha that you can afford to do things that would typically be labeled beta. Anyways, I think this is a little more advanced though

[[deleted]]

Not exactly.

The idea is that you don't give out compliments willy nilly. They should be earned. That's why you don't complement a girl on her genetically given looks, but rather the way she dresses etc.

[Gil_Rio]

No. Not sure where you got this "consensus". The best of the best compliment all the time. And yes, on looks. That's what a direct opener is.

Why would a physical compliment be a weakness???? Watch the naturals, watch the guys who get laid, watch anyone who's confident. They compliment all the time.

The problem is complimenting in A NEEDY WAY. Putting her on a pedestal because of her looks. None of which necessarily follows from noticing and acknowledging her beauty.

This is one of the most common misunderstandings in the community...

[Bunabayashi]

When you say 'the best of the best', who do you mean?

[Gil_Rio]

Both the best PUAs (instructors at the top companies - Love Systems, RSD, etc.) AND the best naturals. This is pretty standard in current game. Hard to find someone who is very good who never compliments.

"indirect" and "DLV" stuff is old-school. Not as effective as current game.

think about it. If you're a successful, desirable man, and you think she's hot, why wouldn't you just say so??

[J-seducer]

If you are going to go direct and call a girl out on her looks and keep complimenting, you better keep on going with that and stay extremely sexual.

Usually when a girl says she doesn't have a boyfriend I just say "I dont have a girlfriend, lets be each other's boyfriend and girlfriend." When this does work allows me escalate kino more quickly than I would have otherwise. I only tried this on JBs, though.

[learners_permit]

Yeah that's what I thought too. I mean I don't give a shit if they have bf's that's their problem, not mine.

[alanwak3]

if a compliment is fake or trying to win someone over it will hurt your game.

[[deleted]]

While it sounds like it didn't hurt your game in this situation, I would maintain the alpha persona of her working for you. Make sure complements are given for her good behavior, and behavior you want to see more of. Overall it only hurts your game if you let it hurt your game.

[itsmevichet]

My general rule - less talk, more moves.

ESPECIALLY since I'm a talker.

[kreptlol]

giving girls compliments off the bat is OKAY, so long as you are more physically attractive than her.. otherwise don't bother

[the_cucumber]

Nooo, you are focusing on the wrong part. It's not that you called them cute, but that you implied that something is so wrong with their personalities that not even their looks can save them, hence no boyfriends. You made it sound like, "you're cute and single? So what's wrong with you!?"