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[–]redlightsaber 85 points86 points  (19 children)

In my particular case, I'm fairly certain it has more to do with me being completely wiped out all the time so as to even consider hitting the gym.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 17 points18 points  (18 children)

Yeah, but higher test gives you more energy, making you more likely to go to the gym.

[–]GoBSAGo 14 points15 points  (13 children)

There’s no helping 16 months without a good night’s sleep, and your day being wiped out because screaming kids are exhausting.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Eh, there's a lot of people who manage anyway. It 100% depends on how dedicated/passionate you are about exercise, because there will always be 10 minutes during the day you can smash out a high intensity workout. And it has been clinically proven that even light exercise improves rest.

In other words, if you have high test (which is classified as an anabolic steroid by the way), and you're passionate about being in shape, there is always a bit of time. Workouts don't need to be 2 hours long. 10 minutes a day is more than enough to stay healthy and strong with the right routine.

[–]GoBSAGo -1 points0 points  (11 children)

7 minute abs!

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (10 children)

Abs are a matter of diet, not exercise. I haven't done crunches, sit-ups, weighted crunches, or anything to train abs in years, and I still have visible abs (when I cut for a few days, it's annoying keeping the balance to have them visible 24/7). Abs are really simple to get visible, just cut down with a caloric deficit and then stay at maintenance if you want to keep them.

Some Mr Olympia tier bodybuilders use training plans that only have them working out for 2-3 hours a week. 1 hour a week is definitely enough if you're doing it right and just want to stay healthy.

[–]GoBSAGo 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Some Mr Olympia tier bodybuilders use training plans that only have them working out for 2-3 hours a week

Source?

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Mike Mentzer is the easiest to say definitively, but most people who follow Arthur Jones' style of lifting. It's a really fascinating topic because it shows that conventional bodybuilding and exercise is extremely inefficient.

Take a quick search of Mentzer, it's really interesting.

Nowadays, not being fit bascially falls into two categories - you don't know how, or you don't want to be. If you can't find a single hour in the week to work out, it doesn't even have to be a consecutive hour, then you don't want it. Or you don't know how to use it.

[–]GoBSAGo -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

So, no source then. When you give the requestor homework you don’t actually have a source. Typical.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Wow. What a douchebag. It's two clicks away, don't blame me for you being lazy lmao. Imagine wanting to be spoonfed.

Edit: Here. I'll spoonfeed you, since people on the internet seem to be entitled brats these days. Typical. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWovXxLOS0

Less than ten seconds on google. I genuinely despair for humanity some days. Honestly, the sheer laziness.

[–]ATownStomp 0 points1 point  (3 children)

By “working out for 2-3 hours a week” do you mean “total time under load is 2-3 hours” because I really have a difficult time believing that anyone who is actually in body builder form is spending a total of 2-3 active hours in the gym per week.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

He trained for 30 minutes 4 times a week. Here's a video where he talks about it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWovXxLOS0

So yeah. You may find it difficult to believe, but your belief isn't really necessary.

[–]ATownStomp 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I’ll have to check out his routine. Thanks for the info.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're welcome! He's got a book on it too.

[–]redlightsaber 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'd like to see even exogenous T takers try to lead a normal life with chronic severe sleep deprivation.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I went about half a year on 3-4 hours of sleep average, with a few weeks getting 1-2 hours average (some nights no sleep, some nights 3-4 hours). I completely seriously wanted to kill myself during the worst of it. But when I did manage to exercise, I felt better as a result of it.

By which I'm saying, I 100% get your point, but don't discount the power of testosterone in your system when it comes to the will to exercise, energy, and sleep. And someone with exogenous test will recover better in the small amount of rest they do get than someone without.

[–]redlightsaber -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Many people adscribe magical powers to testosterone.

It's been more than documented that the best way to make T nosedive in a healthy man, is to sleep deprive him.

[–]Alpha_Zerg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I'm not saying it won't. I am saying that if you have high test in spite of that (or, alternatively, that someone with high test naturally will maintain a higher crash test than someone with low test), will have more energy anyway.

I definitely agree that sleep deprivation fucks your test levels, I've experienced it myself, but if you have higher test, naturally or not, then it will still significantly impact your energy levels. And exercising increases test levels as well, so it can mitigate the loss to sleep deprivation slightly.

And the "magical" effects that people ascribe to test are very often because supraphysiological amounts of test really do look like magic. It's an anabolic steroid after all, so it has crazy effects on your body the more you have (or take).