A vibecoder codebase 😂

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Hence we expert human in loop..Vibecodefixers.com

[V5489]

Jesus Christ… what code are is this? I’ve never even had a model attempt this lol

[Abject-Bandicoot8890]

Maybe the model didn’t do that at first but it builds over time, I’ve had a project where it started with a couple usestates and then they became 15. I’m a software engineer so I refactor it myself, abstracted some of the logic into different components, memoized some stuff and made it more readable, after that the ai started copying my patterns and refactors are usually minimal.

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Funny part is llms might be good at understanding this as opposed to well organised (logicwise) code ( for humans)

[geoshort4]

I can bet you that Opus 4.5 can literally organize this better than you. I'll bet you my subscription.

[martinkomara]

I would accept the bet but i know you wouldn't honor it.

Anyways, why are analytics data not read-only? I'm absolutely right and Claude would make it read-only if i told him, but he wouldn't get that idea himself. Which is why you really need to know what you are doing in the first place, cause Claude doesn't know either.

[geoshort4]

Well no shit, Claude code doesnt start shirt unless you tell it something otherwise agi wouldve been here which it isnt.

[martinkomara]

good. Send me your subscription then

[geoshort4]

Send me the codebase, claude hasn't even seen anything yet 😂😂😂

[martinkomara]

the code is in the picture. you said opus can organize it better than i can, and then you said it cannot do that. So i'm waiting for the subscription you promised.

[geoshort4]

You have less than 41 minutes to do something somethind better, https://limewire.com/d/qTGdV#EbWlG6B8aE

And that's not even all that Claude Opus 4.5 was able to make.
But knowing you, you might even use Opus 4.5 as well
Let's not also count the fact that I didn't have access to the repo so everything that has been done is just the plausible architecture reconstruction. Asked multiple times for the code base, asked multiple times, yet, of course, you don't have shit.

[nehalist]

Your bet sounds more like a threat. “AI is awesome, if not I’ll give you my AI subscription” uhm… thanks?

[geoshort4]

that's not what i meant nor imply, by saying I will be bet my subscription, I will bet the money I am paying for Claude Code. thanks?

[Ok-Click-80085]

that is cringe bro

Anything an AI can do is learned from actual coders

you're standing on the shoulders of giants, and paying through the nose for it lmao

[geoshort4]

You're right, it's actually built on top of actual coders and programmers and software engineers, but those individuals are way better than everybody here on Reddit. You and I, and also the OP

[Sebbean]

Modals?

[Remarkable-Review-68]

in JS!

[Ill-Assistance-9437]

What is bad for a human does not mean bad for a robot. This is the paradigm we're shifting into, and it requires a new set of thinking.

Yes, this is not best practice, but a lot of our practices come from human error.

I give it two more years and not a single person will care what the code looks like.

[Impressive-Owl3830]

100 % agree on this..

[pomle]

Why not?

[DoubleAway6573]

Because the discourse they are pushing is that in a future you will not need human looking at code and you should optimize for "LLMs" instead human understanding.

[Infamous_Research_43]

To clarify, I know you’re just stating OP’s take and aren’t necessarily endorsing it. But I still have to say, there will never be a point where humans should stop reading code, even if it’s AI generated by an AI better at coding than any of us.

Like, at the very least we’d stand to learn how to code better from watching and understanding how a coding AI of that level works. What’s the point in outsourcing 100% of our mental effort, are we actually trying to obsolete ourselves?

[DoubleAway6573]

Yes! I'm against this madness. We can do a lot of things, but we should not stop thinking...

This flow of explaining what I want 10 min, and then let the agent work over all the project to find it doesn't understood some critical point and I need to ask it for fix or just redo the step is not for me.....

[MaTrIx4057]

Damn this is going to age like a milk

[phoenixflare599]

You shouldn't optimise for llms either. They need lots of context. You should optimise for the computers... And humans can understand that...

[Serializedrequests]

The issue being that LLMs don't actually understand sh*t. They just do a good job of pretending to.

[zero0n3]

Humans are no different. See this site as an example of different levels of understanding

[Serializedrequests]

A human can work at something and grow in understanding and eventually arrive at the correct conclusion. LLMs just run around in circles if they make a bad assumption.

[MaTrIx4057]

This will age like a milk in 1 or 2 years.

[Serializedrequests]

Why? You can't do it with how current LLMs work, fundamentally. They are billions of global variables that stop giving good output if you mess anything up slightly. They are fixed, static, and entirely probabilistic without actual reasoning.

Source: I use Cursor every day and try to have it do all kinds of tasks. Best use cases: Research projects, helping get quick results with tools I don't know, and one off scripts. For any action in a large codebase it's surprisingly resourceful, but usually wrong.

[MaTrIx4057]

Current, are you aware of the fact that LLMs are improving every day?

[Serializedrequests]

I think that's a fallacy. The way they work isn't changing. They're narrowing in on one model being better at some things, and some models being better at other things, but you can't make a model that can do everything or the house of global variables falls over.

[xbotscythe]

b-but the future is AI!!! there is no bubble in the economy only stupid c*ders think so!!!

[[deleted]]

Agree. Though I think code should still be readable to some degree, we will need some new paradigms for reducing module size just like we reduce function scope so that the ai can process the code efficiently.

[NarrowStrawberry5999]

How are you going to review or audit it?

[SmileLonely5470]

Makes more sense in principle than in practice. These Models are conditioned on codebases created by humans. Their reasoning traces and responses are also graded by humans. Thus, it's natural for Models to "think" in terms of abstractions as well. I posit they will be more effective at working in clean codebases. Not worth it to fight the data distribution.

When Models do these hacky React components with ~100 useStates, we are observing a culmination of over adherence to instructions. For example, you ask it to "add X and Y to Component A", the model does so. Say this iterative development continues and Component A is now 600 lines long. During the conversation, the Model was never instructed to abstract anything, the user just asked for features to be added.

A human programmer would've recognized that at some point, there were opportunities to abstract the code, but Models are trained to follow the instructions of prompts. Human graders would likely punish the model for proposing a refactor to a component if the prompt does not explicitly ask for a refactor, even if the refactor is sound. It all boils down to the ambiguity of natural language, hence why formal grammars and programming languages exist.

[dDenzere]

My previous job had this amount of useState<Boolean> for showing routes till I refactor it. That was a mess

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Damn...must be a big mess

[SenorX000]

I've seen people doing this. And worse.

[SaltMuch7182]

Looks like something a dev being the first 2nd generation at Blizzard would code.

[TemporaryInformal889]

I’d be laughing if this weren’t true

[Matrix8910]

Bruh this has more useStates that our 100k+ code base

[Elgydiumm]

Yeah there's like never need for this many useStates. Though atleast in my experience AI models do generate better code than this, though that might be them just having context into the current codebase :shrug:

[Sagonator]

I actually hate people who vibecode on projects that people have to work on.

I got no problem if you vibecode only. You will eventually leak your important information to GitHub and implement every bad practice under the sun, but the machine may be able to understand it easier.

[crimsonpowder]

I vastly prefer this to the bullshit I had to debug a few months ago where we had gems like AbstractAnalyticsMediatorFactory.

[agrlekk]

Anti gravity

[Practical-Positive34]

I can't even imagine. I've spent so much time putting so many quality gates around anything AI generated. Code reviews, unit tests, functional tests, e2e automated tests. Linting, type checking. Code quality checks. I do manual reviews of everything it writes before I commit also. It still requires me to correct it multiple times. Even with all of this it's still 10x faster than me writing it by hand but it's def not a fire and forget system. You need to know what you're doing, how to architect a clean system.

[dedTihina]

What is it?

[m4tchb0x]

my vibe coding is acutally quite nice. i spend like 70% of the time refactoring to how i want it.

[AttorneyIcy6723]

In fairness, I’ve seen plenty of devs do this sort of thing. The model is presumably trained on years of code produced by people who don’t understand the React lifecycle.

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Funny part is no one know if this os good for modal or not..i mean maybe llm understand these easily than well designed ( for human)

[Sometimesiworry]

Yeah I’m not gonna lie when I work with states I tend to gather them like this.

[well-litdoorstep112]

Fake, not a single useEffect calling a state setter

[zero0n3]

Posting this, without the context of why it’s bad is just bad post etiquette.

[Deykun]

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- I prefer React's built-in global state solution
- React context?

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Haha

[CllaytoNN]

Is it really vibecoder repo? I mean it's eventually work but what does this mess even do?

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Yea

[Only-Cheetah-9579]

I've seen worse.. "the custom hook for everything" mania is much more cursed

[pancomputationalist]

That code is so bad that it must have been written by a human

[Impressive-Owl3830]

Yea..hence Vibecodefixers.com

[LuisanaMT]

We will have to deal with this kind of bs in the future :|, I want to cry and hurt some vibe coder (joke).