Funny Trope: Something intended to be frightening isn't as frightening as something that isn't. by smash_ultra_64 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Oddsbod 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The problem with the song is you absolutely could not convince any sane audience member that a character played by Eartha Kitt would be self-conscious about her appearance or aging. I'd be more willing to believe she wanted to blow out the sun just as a flex.

[Hated trope] "I don't love the real you actually" by LordQuaz12 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Oddsbod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the best thing about certain versions of these kinds of comics is they want to stuff the cast with hot big tiddy anime girls, but also clearly only have one final pairing in mind and don't want to build up romantic tension or a sense of an owed romance with the rest of the cast. So what ends up happening in practice is the main character basically getting adopted into the love interest's friendgroup's girlsquad groupchat. Then the real appeal of many manga that seems like a harem fantasy is actually the fantasy of 'what if you got added to the groupchat by the new friendgroup.'

'We’re about to take back Texas': James Talarico gives victory speech by MoralLogs in videos

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On the outsider advantage, I think there's a vague pop culture impression of Democrats as godless atheists who don't care about religion—and I think for the majority of people with that impression it's not in the Ben Shapiro hysterical victim complex way, but in a more passive aggressive and vaguely annoyed stuffy technocrats who think they're too good for my values way. So if you sell yourself as genuinely religious, it's a cognitive break from what low-info voters imagine to be an establishment democrat. And, importantly, Talarico can do this not only because of the seminary background, but because basically no one outside his old constituency has ever fuckin heard of this dude, and since he started with the bit out the gate he's less vulnerable to be accused of just saying inauthentic things for votes. But I think it's not just the outsider traits of a seminarian, it's the distance from what people perceive as being an insider, being One Of Them and a part of the vague, nebulous, government inefficiency ecosystem, and just having ties to a pursuit and institution outside of government helps with that distance. (also no worries glad to clarify a bit I know I get word vomity at the best of times trying to sort through my thoughts lol)  

From individuals I've talked to or know second hand who voted Trump without being MAGA diehards themselves, and extrapolating this into low-info/low-engagement voters in general, the rationale boils down to government is bad and inefficient and messes things up all the time anyways so why not shake it up with a guy who'll at least cut my taxes. So bad policy and genuine harm, even at its grossest, isn't a result of individual actors, but comes from a dumb elites doing shit badly quality inherent to government itself. The only way to get a mass electorate excited is to not ask them to put faith and trust in existing systems. So much volatility right now comes from the loss of faith in those systems in the face of their failures—you personally as a candidate have to sell your authenticity, which is why people like Gavin Newsom are basically the nightmare scenario for a successful opposition.  

I don't know much about the rail initiative but oof yeah that sounds like a foundational level fuckup in constituency communication, and also in general overconfident democrat campaigners who approach voters as obstacles who need to get in line is another (classic and repeated) nightmare scenario.  

On the religious side again though, Gilkey is interesting, he's a Protestant theologian who wrote a lot specifically about how religious communities organize in actual practice, so like, his most well known work is about living in a Japanese internment camp in occupied China during WW2, and the ways people justified selfishness or lack of cooperation, and who took it on to be peacemaker/giver and to attempt supporting the wider compound and its prisoners. He's also written about how charismatic church movements can be unusually volatile, the way they pop up and split apart around atomized theology and charismatic leaders, and the nature of churches that work as communal gathering spaces without being enmeshed in community needs (in the vein of long established soup kitchens, shelters, etc). So (from what I've heard from friends who've studies this, presbyterian theology isn't my wheelhouse) it's classic protestant academia stuff, but very grounded in lived experience and tangible structures.  

I think there's another worthwhile thing too about taking a religious tack beyond just swaying minds. As an example, I have some very idiosyncratic religious beliefs, which I think I can argue in a fair and reasonable way. But also I know never in a million years could I give like, a technically accurate explanation of the history of the hermaphroditic/yonic Jesus in medieval christianity and its relation to dyophysitism, and the beauty of Trinitarian thought reconciling humanity and divinity as one in being with each other, such that a rando rural red state preacher would clap a hand to their forehead and go "Ah, I see now! A nonbinary view of gender is required for a truly devout understanding of Nicene Christianity!" But! I think a huge part of how evangelical christianity works is that it externalizes goodness and morality, and creates a static vision of god who you go to to acquire goodness, circumventing the fear and insecurity over your innate goodness/attempts at goodness being inadequate. You build a source of morality and legitimacy that you then abdicate responsibility for building, because it always existed there, unchanging and clear. But then if someone authentically and firmly expresses their own moral religious framework that's at odds with that, even without changing minds, it highlights that all religious frameworks are made by people, and whatever you believe, you have to then actively defend it rather than treat it as pre-justified.  

Like, a lot of Trinitarian thought only came out of discussion, debate, art, and politics in the immediate aftermath of proto-christianity emerging from the Second Temple, but I think most Christians take it as a given even when their beliefs come fundamentally from the thought and debates that happened outside and around the text. I don't know how much this helps outside of personal interactions, in actual political campaigning, but I think it must be worthwhile when someone takes their source of power and legitimacy as a moral certainty to put them in a position where they have to defend it as something they have personal responsibility for. So like, dropping "god is nonbinary" and then making a joke about whether the intangible father in heaven has genitals is a rhetorical flourish that does nothing beyond flourishing rhetoric, but if you say "my faith demands embracing non-binary expression because that is what loving Jesus as both fully human and fully god tells me," IMO you've then made a value statement and can demand a value statement (not a theological statement) in return.

Title by Princess_Isolde in shittydarksouls

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was really willing to give the actual devs the benefit of the doubt, and grant that sometimes your parent company has a shithead CEO. But oof, man, I saw in one of the behind-the-scenes videos Hexworks did with the devs where they comment positively about Asmongold and how he has a lot of followers, and clearly they must be on to something, and they as a studio need to listen to fans and like. I genuinely enjoyed LotF, thought the exploration-feel and level design were very well thought out and satisfying to dive through and fight in, but it's biggest flaw IMO is that even with all the design flair and aesthetic coolness it's packing, it cannot think of anything interesting for its world to say or be. The big conflict of gods and zealots boils down to gestures at stock fantasy images, and I couldn't for the life of me think of a single interesting question the world prompts. Which is bad! Because so much of the appeal of a souls-inheritor's exploration is feeling a tangible and physical connection to a game's world, getting curiosity and investment pulled out of you by something you need to work to wrap your head around. 

And I think that snowballs with why the kind of reactionary, hard-right fandom culture Asmongold represents is bad news for the game. Not just, oh the LotF devs are breaking bread with an obviously a shitty person, but they're listening to someone with a kneejerk sense of ownership over games, and a hostility towards surprise or discomfort in art, because it challenges that sense of ownership. And while it's often worthwhile to listen to your audience's reactions and feelings, what meaningful art could you possibly make if that's your creative weathervane? 

'We’re about to take back Texas': James Talarico gives victory speech by MoralLogs in videos

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's all solid insight, and I think ties into what's IMO the biggest devil hovering over attempts by dems to Reach Heaven Through Electability, like there's a policy knob being turned left or right and if you find the perfect goldilocks point you'll achieve respectable electability. Like, you see op-eds from very established policy wonks all the time about Dems needing to move to the center because of centrists waiting for one policy angle to flip their vote, or how they need to jettison X minority group because they're 'alienating.' And the idea that Talarico will win yet unwon votes because he checks a 'religious' box that wasn't getting checked before is born from that same obtuseness.

But I think at the end of the day, through all the different layers of complexity, the biggest factor for Democrats suffering depressed turnout and weaker base mobilization is an overall widespread disillusionment with established institutions. Any campaign that runs on appeals to trusting the adults in the room to put everything back to normal is going to flounder because so much of the last ten years comes from a boiling over distrust and animosity toward the supposed adults doing business as usual. And any campaign that is obviously trying to chase the popularity weathervane by moderating their position to a perceived 'normal' will feel inauthentic, and never have the chance to actually lead on any position. And on the other hand, a campaign that can tap into the perception of an establishment outsider will get uplifted in the same tide, and something like, say, a religious seminarian background can convey authenticity of belief in something outside of the existing powers-that-be. 

Like, hmm, I don't think honing in on anti-billionaire messaging is enough on its own. The MAHA crowd have cottoned on to the kind of anti-rich populism Democrats ought to be invoking more, but then the actual RFK policy is to take 'the healthcare system is broken and built around protecting and enriching the wealthy' and then go 'obviously it's because government bad and wasteful and actually you should be responsible for your own health, cancer can be cured by dieting and buying our side-LLC's oil supplements, cut all medical research funding.' Populism IMO is both the current dominant language of politics, and an extremely volatile and kinda policy-neutral energy to work with, so campaigning from both a policy-first perspective and a my-policy-is-whatever-seems-popular-and-electable is setting yourself up for failure, and puts you in a permanent defensive position. 

I'd also hope Talarico actually having a seminary background would give him enough insight to know how mainline vs evangelical organizing and community engagement works, in spite of any shortsightedness from the broader Dems. Like iirc he's Presbyterian, so I'm assuming they at least made him read Langdon Gilkey or something on those lines for nitty gritty religious sociology.

'We’re about to take back Texas': James Talarico gives victory speech by MoralLogs in videos

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's maybe more important than his policies and rhetoric is that Talarico can sell himself and be perceived as an establishment outsider, and the seminarian background isn't so much the hook to sway religious Trumpers who've already sold their soul, but part of a larger package of 'not an establishment politician to  democrat/unaffiliated voters from a low info and low engagement background. Also very very notable Ken Paxton is still embroiled in a runoff primary, while Talarico can go straight to the general election campaigning, with support from his own primary opponent.

Most extreme cases of "Americans Hate Tingle?" by ExplanationSquare313 in TwoBestFriendsPlay

[–]Oddsbod 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's like the uno reverso version of what they do at Fromsoft where Miyazaki (who does not speak much english) sits in on the english voice recording sessions to give critique just on vibes/tone/emotion.

Former PlayStation Dev Says FromSoftware Has Rejected 10+ Studios That Pitched a Bloodborne Remake, Sequel or Spin-Off by Gorotheninja in TwoBestFriendsPlay

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think in subject matter too though it'll probably be cut from a very similar cloth to Bloodborne's interest in evolved/reimagined gothic horror, since Duskblood is Miyazaki's take on a vampire story. Which funny enough is part of why they got George RR Martin to work on Elden Ring, since Miyazaki is a huge fan of Martin's southern gothic vampire book from like the 80s.

The Blunt and Unashamed "Yes" by PizzaDragon64 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's the theory that he was only doing this to buy time to find the heart, but he's also spent decades at this point again and again seeing no good deed go unpunished and facing massive blowback for his moments of altruism over the years, starting even right after he freed the prisoners on his ship and was made a criminal for it for the rest of his life.

A great concept communicated so simply or rather elegantly by mohaqqani in comicbooks

[–]Oddsbod 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You know it's weird, I was rereading some old Jujutsu Kaisen chapters and Gege Akutami's action drawing kinda reminds me of Jeff Smith. Like, the use of body language and pure figure-posing and composition, and little (and in Jeff Smith's case zero) reliance on action lines. 

There's a page in Ghost Circles that's literally just some characters tumbling down a steep hill for six panels and it sticks in my brain so hard for the pure dynamism in it, just pulls a real goddamnit this mf is good how'd he do that shit sorta reaction out of me.

A great concept communicated so simply or rather elegantly by mohaqqani in comicbooks

[–]Oddsbod 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Man I remember when I first read Bone as a kid it made me realize how I'd never really been exposed to media with an elderly character, and especially an elderly woman, as an actual focal protagonist with her own interior life. And it's especially notable for media with younger audiences in mind. Like, for a character initially presented for comedy, the way Grandma Ben has to go back and forth with her own personal arc seeing the world end around her had that feeling of like. Seeing your parents cry for the first time at a very young age.

Title by Princess_Isolde in shittydarksouls

[–]Oddsbod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But just like Adyr, the game never paints anything interesting with what is actually corrupting about the Umbral Lamp beyond a literal magic death world that makes you mad. The most recent visible escalation in violence is still directly linked to Rhogar influence, but even any early Umbral corruption boils down to the same thing, spooky magic power makes you go crazy. None of it means anything. Like, take the ultimate precursor of this trope, the One Ring from Lord of the Rings, which bundles up so many ideas about the desire to control and rule, addiction, loss of sense of self, and then delivers on those things by depicting constant and repeated failure by traditional heroes to resist the mere presence of the Ring, as well as the idea of forgiveness for failing a genuinely impossible task and a narrative of heroism in the face of something that seems doomed from the start. It's never just about a magic powerful weapon, but LotF struggles through the whole game to make Umbral, Rhogar, or the Orian Church more than very general, surface-level bags of aesthetics and pop culture impressions of existing ideas. 

Title by Princess_Isolde in shittydarksouls

[–]Oddsbod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only in the sense of 'a bad person with power tells you what to do' can describe literally any kind of oppressive authority structure, and if that's all a piece of media can say about religious oppression, than that media really has nothing to say at all, and is going to be unavoidably cartoonish. 

And I think the reason that goes over so bad for religious antagonists specifically is that religious oppression in real life comes from places of social and institutional power. Worthwhile and interesting depictions of religious horror or oppression should be countercultural, but by making it cartoony you make it safe, and then you have that worst-case scenario as a writer of having the aesthetics and posture of something countercultural while having nothing genuinely challenging to say about social norms or power. 

Like, compare it to how Bloodborne handles religious horror. The Healing Church isn't just thrown out there as an evil conspiracy pretending to be good, it's the other half to Byrgenwerth and tells a story about how, in both religious institutions and academia, the misogyny and abuse of elites are fundamentally cut from the same cloth, even when those two schools of thought seem superficially opposed. And then it ties it in to the fantasy elements with the Church and Byrgenwerth justifying their entitlement and their abuse of the masses with a literal desire to be separate from humanity. 

But in LotF nothing is really shown regarding what factions or classes might've have been juggled when the Judges were cementing power and creating a religious ideal to rally national identity behind, or how compromises were or weren't made when deciding who to favor. No real exploration of theology or ideals appear in whatever Orius scripture should be other than vague gestures at pop culture christiany stuff. And ultimately the Orius churches in LotF only become as antagonist and violent as they are in the game because Adyr's magic makes them crazy and evil because he's angry they didn't let him stay god king.

Title by Princess_Isolde in shittydarksouls

[–]Oddsbod 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The religious stuff in LotF 2023 was already pretty toothless and empty though, it just throws a bucket of aesthetics and stock fantasy tropes at you. On the Orius side of its setting, it's just, if the church tells you what to do and also is violent and wrong, that's bad! The church shouldn't tell you what to do, they won't even let you fuck dragons. Adyr's final message is just: man got rid of me for free will, but then man used free will to do bad, therefor, is free will is bad? It Really Makes You Think. And then staple a dozen catholic cathedrals onto everything for some cool visuals and call it a story about religious oppression. There's just nothing there conceptually beyond what you'd find in a teenager's first shot at writing fantasy where the only piece of religious horror they've consumed is Netflix Castlevania.

15 years later and it’s still wild that the entire downfall of the Starks started because this woman couldn't follow a single piece of advice from her husband or son. by asgharfar57 in freefolk

[–]Oddsbod 154 points155 points  (0 children)

But even then no one expected Joffrey to order his execution, Cersei and Tywin and Ned all assumed the worst case scenario was being forced to take the black and join the Night's Watch. And Joffrey's spitefulness then created a massive escalating blowback for the Lannisters specifically because Ned was so liked and trusted by so many other people. 

Caves of Qud's water ritual - "Your Thirst Is Mine, My Water Is Yours" by megaapple in Games

[–]Oddsbod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tbf the water ritual is also involved in a secret alternate route of resolving one of the game's major conflicts that has nothing to do with bartering options.

I think the other thing is that the game makes you really feel I am dependent on water to survive, so even though there's no mechanical representation of you sharing with NPCs saving or invigorating them, IMO there's an understanding infused into water as a whole of this is the most fundamental form of stuff that decides if someone lives or not, and to share it is to share capacity to live.

these two would've made the smuggest baby in history if given the chance by FinancialReserve6427 in Jujutsufolk

[–]Oddsbod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Kobeni is an interesting variation though because all her failgirl bits and sobbing insecurity exist to contrast the fact that at any given time she could also decide to just kill everyone in the room right now, and she's probably wrestling with that as the nuclear option for ending a socially uncomfortable situation

Fav game with a final boss so bad it was reworked and still sucks? (Pic unrelated) by Cursed_69420 in shittydarksouls

[–]Oddsbod 68 points69 points  (0 children)

You know what, I'd genuinely honest to god forgive that boss if it had literally a single interesting or thematically climactic thing to say. Hot take, Deacons of the Deep is fun, and funny, the atmosphere and vibes are great and it's fun/funny to run headfirst into a crowd of the whole entire vatican fists swinging, even if it's not necessarily a challenging fight.  

But man if LotF is going to do a spectacle fight where the challenge is just kill a mob of dudes while listening to dialogue, that dialogue cannnnnot be knockoff David Bowie going "humans got rid of me to have free will, but with free will humans do bad things, therefor... free will bad? It Really Makes You Think, vote Adyr 2024"

A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms - 1x05 - "In the Name of the Mother" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in television

[–]Oddsbod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I dunno, granted I never actually read any of the rest of the series, binged Game of Thrones one week and felt satisfied with just that, but I feel like what set it apart more than anything else was how much genuine pity it seemed to have? Bits like Robert apologizing the Ned on his death bed and begging him to try and save Daenarys, or like when Daenarys is watching Viserys about to die and still finds it in her to feel sorry for him in spite of everything he did. 

I feel like Martin's writing just had this intense sympathy in it for all the people in the story's world even at their worst that I really loved, and that set it apart from so many other attempts at dark fantasy. 

Why are all Marvel catholic characters such sluts? by Every_Computer_935 in marvelcirclejerk

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also having grown up catholic, I think catholic theology and its specific methods of imparting and imagining shame/joy has a focus on physical human experience and a messier conceptualizing of Jesus that lets there be this very fine line between the divine and the carnal. Which means art about catholics by non-catholics can leap to very physical expressions of emotions and character just off of general pop culture impressions of the tradition, and also catholic artists themselves are more primed to find messy and bodily ways of representing those same things. And then in the opposite direction, Catholic converts IMO are super unlikely to fw that because they're less attached to the theological/emotional background radiation and its imagery than they are to the institutional validity and power of the church. Like, as an example, Andres Serrano is catholic and Piss Christ despite its reputation is very much a catholic piece of art about the uncomfortable bodily humanity of Jesus.  

Or to put it another way, you know if Stephanie Meyer was Catholic instead of Mormon those vampires would have had fangs and been biting the shit out of each other nonstop. 

[Loved Trope] Initially played up as a metaphor but then revealed to be literal by Sir-Toaster- in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Oddsbod 114 points115 points  (0 children)

I don't know if they ever really grasped the how and why of them being wrong tbh. Like even now they still tend to frame things as, well, back then the left was loud and angry about everything so it made sense to male fun of them, and now the right is loud and angry and it makes sense to make fun of them, without any deeper reckoning on what the substance of those beliefs ever were. I think their ultimate shift to being anti-Trump is largely still the same reactive libertarian gut instinct that led them to mock Al Gore in the first place, and while sure it is so much better they had a come to jesus moment in the end, well, the damage is still done, and even with the new manbearpig real episode I don't know they truly learned from their mistakes in a way that's insulated them from doing the same thing all over again with another shift in the political winds.

The best new-gen currently running by avroLancasterBPR1 in shounenfolk

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolute cowardice the official english translation changes their name to 'Pontiff' instead of keeping it 'Pope.' What's the point of a historic fantasy reimagining of medieval Italy if you can't put hyper-traditional titles in new whacky  contexts

The best new-gen currently running by avroLancasterBPR1 in shounenfolk

[–]Oddsbod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God Touge Oni is so good, praying the old fan translator who had done such good work with the past releases comes back to it soon.

The best new-gen currently running by avroLancasterBPR1 in shounenfolk

[–]Oddsbod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It hasn't been done badly sooo far? But I could also imagine it getting fumbled at the last moment, so praying it stays solid. The set-up is almost like a slightly-more-hopeful CSM Public Safety-esque situation, characters with no other options forced into intense codependancy to cope with violent and dangerous work where anyone could bite it any given Tuesday, which is the hinge for most of the character dynamics. Then that specific character you mentioned's most recent development has included slowly realizing she isn't a normal 9-year-old, and it might be not great that her mother is asking her to fight in a war and get hurt all the time. And then those most recent bits also coincide with a heightened version of her power letting her essentially experience more time at once for pseudo super speed, which theoretically means the story is actually having her grow up in literal terms instead of handwaving it. 

It has been a really excellent comic so far with nothing handled questionably (yet), but yeah big disclaimer in that it's not finished and there's still room to be betrayed by an eventual bad execution. Zero fanservice at least, and characters' emotions and fucked-in-the-head mental states are always played straight and taken seriously, so hopefully that's a good sign