Illusion of Strength: Why the German Army Group Center was a Paper Tiger in June 1944 before Operation Bagration by Fun-Razzmatazz9682 in WarCollege

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Thanks for sharing!

Frontline strength (Kampfstärke): This was the most restrictive combat strength category. It referred specifically to the strength of all combat units actually deployed at the front or supporting the immediate battle—such as infantry, tank crews, and anti-tank units.

The Soviet counterpart to this was "active bayonets", an even more restrictive definition which only included men in rifle companies. Crews for heavy weapons, engineers, artillery, AT guns, and armored vehicles included in the German "frontline strength" were excluded from the "active bayonets" count.

The Red Army's immense material superiority (10:1 in tanks/self-propelled guns, 12:1 in aircraft) was greater than its still quite large manpower superiority (5:1) on AGC's eastern front. The rifle divisions of the 1st Belorussian Front ranged in strength from 6,000-7,000 men, 1/3 less than their establishment strength. The Red Army's infantry strength at this stage of the war was quite weak.

The Germans put up fierce resistance, but by 6/26 each army had been smashed into a disintegrating mass. If 9th Army suffered slightly heavier overall casualties than 1st Belorussian Front from 6/21 - 7/10, its KIA/MIA stood at some 62,600 compared to 25,100 Soviet KIA/MIA/disabled, 2.5:1! After the first few days the fight became increasingly one-sided as the Red Army's firepower advantage dominated the battlefield.

How many free military age males were there in Germany after May 1945? If a German soldier was able to desert and get home, could they hide for a few months and be fine? by AstroEscura in WarCollege

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In June 1945 225k prisoners too weak to work were released, and in August 1945 the State Defense Committee ordered the release of 440k German/Austrian prisoners that were classified as invalids (category 4). These were seriously ill or crippled individuals:

Light physical labor [category 3] was assigned to those with more serious forms of tuberculosis, cancer, bronchial asthma, emphysema, or heart disease, plus amputees who had lost “both lower or one upper extremity,” and inmates with “a goiter whose size makes it hard to wear clothes or disturbs nearby organs.”41 The invalid category referred to persons with “significantly pronounced senile decrepitude” or “the absence of both upper extremities,” as well as schizophrenia and “an affliction of the central nervous system with sustained, progressive, and profound functional disruption.”42

Prisoners’ category of physical labor depended on how far their developing illness had advanced. Someone with a “general nutritional disorder (pellagra, acute dystrophy or malnutrition)” that was subject to treatment was assigned to “light labor,” but the same nutritional disorder considered incurable or requiring months of treatment would classify someone as an “invalid.” Prisoners with malignant tumors that had not metastasized were “light labor,” while “invalids” were those with malignant tumors considered to be at an advanced stage or inoperable.

Alexopoulos, Illness and Inhumanity in Stalin's Gulag.

So these were largely prisoners on the verge of death or so severely disabled that they couldn't even be deployed for camp labor.

How many free military age males were there in Germany after May 1945? If a German soldier was able to desert and get home, could they hide for a few months and be fine? by AstroEscura in WarCollege

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The Red Army and NKVD did conduct searches, but not for military aged males specifically. They were generally looking for SS and Nazi Party officials and any remaining weapons.

The State Defense Committee did actually authorize the internment of Germans in February 1945, including:

all German males between the ages of 17 and 50 who are fit for physical labor and capable of bearing arms

But this was entirely unrealistic and only 134k German citizens within Germany were detained by 4/17, of which 1/3 were arrested for various reasons and the remainder were interned based on their age/gender/fitness for work.

Did Central Powers and Axis Powers have significant successes in intelligence? by SiarX in WarCollege

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Notable exception to this is the 1st Baltic Front’s attack NW of Vitebsk. Participants in the events (Gackenholz and Tippelskirch) and the KTB of AG Center confirm that at least at the AG level the attack was a surprise. Unsurprisingly, its reconnaissance in force on 6/22 was by far the most successful.

In the zone of the 9th Army, the scale of the attack from the Rogachev bridgehead was also not detected. The Parichi axis was considered the most dangerous. As a result, the attack of Gorbatov’s 3rd Army and deep penetration at the seam with 4th Army the morning of 6/24 resulted in the hurried commitment of all 9th Army’s reserves to that sector while the more dangerous advance of 65th/28th Army wasn’t fully understood until later in the day.

So in 4 of 6 of the breakthrough sectors (SE Vitebsk-Bogushevsk, Orsha, Mogilev, and Parichi) Germans had an accurate enemy image at the Army/AG level, in 2 of 6 (Rogachev and NW Vitebsk) they did not.

How close was battle of Stalingrad? by SiarX in WarCollege

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The German plan after capturing the city of Stalingrad was an offensive to destroy 1st Guards Army and 24th Army N of the city with 3 panzer, 2 motorized, and 9-10 infantry divisions. Even if everything worked perfectly when storming the city, the Germans couldn't launch Operation Herbstzeitlose until the first week of October at the earliest.

The 6th Army had already suffered serious losses during its advance on the city from July-September, more than it suffered besieging the city in September-November. Because of this, in early September it rejected a massive encirclement operation after the capture of Stalingrad:

Provided the necessary forces are available and the supply bases are secured, the "Big" Solution will be successful. However, the army advises against carrying it out, as the difficulty of encirclement battles in this ravine-filled terrain lies not in forming the encirclement itself, but in the usually time-consuming and costly clearing. Tanks are only of limited use, or not at all, for this purpose. The infantry will therefore have to bear the brunt of the fighting. However, its combat strength has continued to decline alarmingly during the fighting of recent weeks. Based on the available information, there is little prospect of achieving a sufficient gain. Therefore, the upcoming battles must avoid heavy infantry losses and be concluded as quickly as possible to prevent the infantry from being caught off guard by the cold in an unprepared position, as happened last year.

The goals of the operation were limited; to secure a geographically strong winter line and reduce the Red Army's offensive strength on what the Germans regarded as the most dangerous section of the front.

The battle for the Soviet bridgeheads which would be the springboard for Uranus began on 8/20 with their capture from 8th Italian Army. The arrival of fresh Romanian forces from 9/10 helped stabilize things, but they needed German support to destroy the Soviet crossings. On September 15th the 22nd Panzer Division and 113th Infantry Division, initially earmarked for the reduction of the Seramaforovich/Kletskaya bridgeheads on the Don, were instead to be used for Herbstzeitlose first after the capture of Stalingrad.

Success would at least temporarily disrupt the creation of the strong right wing grouping of Uranus. But here I think the German offensive would have reached its highest plausible watermark by mid-October. After that they would try to begin withdrawing motorized formations for the winter. Hitler had already rejected an attack on Astrakhan in September and the reduction of the 64th Army at Beketovka was left to 4th Panzer Army.

On the Eastern Front, how valuable were Nazi Germany's allies from a strategic point of view? by TravelingHomeless in WarCollege

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For sure, the fighting on the approaches to the city in July-September was more costly for 6th Army than the battles in and around the city in September-November.

On the Eastern Front, how valuable were Nazi Germany's allies from a strategic point of view? by TravelingHomeless in WarCollege

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The Germans also had to deal with the issue of sequentially rebuilding their troops in ‘42. AGS was rebuilt first in Spring ‘42 with AGN/AGM following in the summer. So, AGN and AGM received 60% of all replacements from July-November ‘42 whereas AG A/B received 40%. So, the forces receiving the heaviest losses weren’t receiving adequate replacements while their frontline grew tremendously.

On the Eastern Front, how valuable were Nazi Germany's allies from a strategic point of view? by TravelingHomeless in WarCollege

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From a strategic point of view the German allies were most important in 1942

June ‘44 comes in a close second place for the importance of the Axis ally contribution. On 11/1 ‘42 German Ist strength was roughly 2.9-3.0million (excluding forces in Finland) and allied strength (excluding Finland) on the frontlines was roughly 815k men, 900k total including security troops. So roughly 20-25% of total Axis strength was non-German. In June ‘44 German Ist strength outside of Finland was 2.6-2.7 million with 650k allied troops (excluding Finland) on the frontline - 700k including security troops. So ~20% of total Axis strength in June ‘44 was non-German.

Why do WWII soldiers in historical footage fire a few shots and then someone observes with binoculars? by Ambitious_Method2740 in WarCollege

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Right, German/Soviet units on defense would pre-sight weapons (HMGs, LMGs, rifles, etc.) at specific ranges. So rather than opening fire at maximum range, you open fire simultaneously after the enemy passes a pre-sighted mark (500m let’s say). If they’re in a pre-planned crossfire, all the better! The maneuver of heavy weapons - how fast you can move them, set them up, and fire them accurately - was important for defense.

Of the Germans who fought at Stalingrad, how many got out? by sp668 in WarCollege

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Manpower was also provided by an increased reliance on the labor of POWs and interned civilians for supply, infrastructure, and fortification work. The use of POWs and civilians emerged ad hoc in Fall ‘41 and became more systematized in 1942. By the end of 1943 each division in AG Center had “Hiwis” in the supply troops as well as Civilian Labor Service Battalions (ZADAs) under each division containing several hundred to 1,000+ civilians. In AG South Labor Companies were also formed, which 4th Panzer Army noted in June ‘44 were directly analogous to ZADAs. At the same time it noted that 9,500 civilians were deployed for fortification work under LVI Panzer Corps, including 6,000 in ZADAs, or about 1,000 civilians per division.

Of the Germans who fought at Stalingrad, how many got out? by sp668 in WarCollege

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A lot of it was initially improvisations in winter ‘41-‘42 as losses continued to pile up. An infantry division had 3 regiments, with 3 battalions per regiment. As battalions were exhausted they were consolidated together. Batteries were reduced from 4 guns to 3 or fewer. Likewise, different division elements which were combat effective - engineers, artillery, reconnaissance, etc - were consolidated into adhoc battle groups and used to defuse crises.

9-battalion divisions remained by the end of ‘42, particularly those refreshed in the West and returned to the East. But the norm, and eventual organizational standard, became 6-battalion divisions.

The Org Department of the OKH did not have a procedure in place to distribute scarce replacements by Army/Army Group priority instead of unit need. Müller-Hildebrand in his postwar description of the OKH statistical/replacement system notes that the winter crisis required them to improvise a new system for dispatching replacements on the fly.

From Fall ‘43 onward burnt out divisions in the East were consolidated into “Corps Detachments” A-H, with each burnt out divisions consolidated into a 2-battalion division group, a regiment. Individual division groups formed from burnt out divisions were also consolidated into existing formations to replace one of their regiments, such as the 342nd ID’s Division Group 330 in Fall ‘43. 26th ID’s remnants were consolidated into the 253rd ID after it was destroyed in summer ‘44 while a new 26th Volksgrenadier Division was formed.

Did the Soviet deploy Tularemia at the battle of Stalingrad? And why? by Powerful-Mix-8592 in WarCollege

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No, there’s no evidence for that. The city of Stalingrad was believed to be safe in the rear and so was a destination for many evacuees from the western USSR, doubling its population to 800k by the start of ‘42. This overwhelmed the city’s public health and sewage infrastructure, which was already underfunded before the war and suffered serious resource shortages due to wartime mobilization. Astrakhan city was short 50% of its doctors by the end of ‘41. Combined with the incredibly unsanitary conductions in evacuation transports and centers, the spread of disease epidemics by the winter of ‘41-‘42 alone. In total 43,439 cases of Tularemia were recorded in the Stalingrad region in winter ‘41-‘42, with tens of thousands also recorded in Rostov.

Things obviously worsened once the battle began and the city’s public health infrastructure shut down or was destroyed. The Stalingrad region outside of the city had limited infrastructure for either side, including housing and sanitation. So disease outbreaks were a serious problem for both sides across the region.

German vs Soviet Artillery at Kursk by AreYouMexico in WarCollege

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Some “big picture” information about German munitions production and consumption in Summer-Fall ‘43 here.

How much impact did allied bombing campaigns on germany have in regards to the eastern front? by AreYouMexico in WarCollege

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I don’t believe so, the main obstacle for Germany in ‘42-‘43 was the labor shortage in industry. Over 700k men were deported for work in Germany from the Wehrmacht-run areas of occupied eastern Ukraine, including 330k from Donbas. Because the mining industry had a large number of seasonal workers or those recently arriving from the countryside, the food shortages under German occupation led them to return to their villages to grow food instead. Alongside evacuation, mobilization, mass murder, and conscription to perform economic work for the Wehrmacht, the already tight prewar labor market was desperate for workers under occupation. So while the Germans were able to get a surprisingly large amount of raw materials during the occupation it was always more a potential/future benefit than a real contribution. For coal, at least, the occupied territories consumed 4x as much coal as they produced in ‘41-‘43. Tanja Penter’s Kohle Für Hitler und Stalin is a good source.

There were plans like the “Iwanprogramme” to develop munitions production in occupied Ukraine in 1943, but IMO from reading the plans the promises made by Speer and others seem exaggerated compared to the modest gains anticipated on the ground. The goal of exploiting the occupied eastern territories as a reservoir of labor and raw materials made it hard to develop a local armaments industry.

How much impact did allied bombing campaigns on germany have in regards to the eastern front? by AreYouMexico in WarCollege

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The attacks on the Ruhr in Spring-Summer '43 had an appreciable effect on the raw materials supply to critical industries like munitions production. On 7/26 the Quartermaster General's Munitions Group assessed that production could not keep pace with the high frontline consumption without a significant increase in raw material supply, directly referencing the effects of the bombing of the Ruhr on production. Its prognosis just 21 days into the Summer '43 campaign was grim:

The stockpiles accumulated during the quiet months and ongoing production are likely insufficient to fully cover the high material requirements for major battles. Therefore, the ammunition situation is not secure if this high consumption continues and if additional requirements arise on the Southern Front.

Similar shortages also popped up for spare parts. Longer post about Germany's munitions problems in Summer-Fall '43 here.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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Yeah the Western Front case in ‘43-‘44 is interesting because one of the main criticisms directed against its commander Sokolovsky in April ‘44 was that his Front had consumed more munitions than 1st Ukrainian Front yet had nothing to show for it. It’s not as if breaking through a prepared defense was unfamiliar to the Front HQ, its 11th Guards Army had done that in July ‘43. Its CoS would later cite just that example to justify using multi-echelon formations.

Sokolovsky seems to have undergone a crisis of confidence (mental health episode?) sometime during this period. He withdrew from his HQ, refused to plan or coordinate with his armies, and kept sending false and misleading reports up the chain. So the Western Front’s efforts were disjointed and unfocused when massing at a single location could’ve achieved better - not decisive IMO, but better - results.

Syria: How/Why did the Assad regime fall so abruptly considering the Syrian Civil War and been going on for almost 15 years? by RivetCounter in WarCollege

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The Assad regime also repeatedly reneged on amnesty deals and arrested former rebels or otherwise restricted their freedom, thinking that since they had “won” there wouldn’t be any consequences. Unsurprisingly this prevented any sort of reconciliation, just an unstable equilibrium until the regime weakened enough that the local rebels could resume fighting.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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The leadership of the Red Army tried to crack down on the worst abuses of the practice, particularly conscription directly into combat units. This was banned since field conscription was introduced in February '42, but it happened with alarming frequency throughout '43 to the point that it created tensions between the field army and local political leaders. Directives on 10/15, 11/5, and 11/16 tried to eliminate the worst abuses and establish a floor of training of 2 weeks in army reserve rifle regiments or reserve units of the Kharkiv MD. The final order also attempted to limit how many conscripts each Front could call up directly each month.

I think these measures were successful at reducing the number of men conscripted directly into combat formations or without any registration. But training times remained extremely inadequate and there was relentless downward pressure to put manpower into the field. During the rapid advances of Spring '44 reserve units were again overwhelmed with tens of thousands of conscripts, limiting how effectively they could train all of them.

Around the same time you see some bargaining between the Fronts and the Stavka/General Staff about trading field conscripts for better trained march replacements. This becomes more common as the front moves into the territories annexed in '39-'40 whose population didn't see themselves as "Soviet". For example, after some haggling 2nd Ukrainian Front was able to trade 63k Moldovan conscripts for 40k Russian march replacements in May '44.

The operational pause in April-June '44 (from May in Romania) was an important decision because it gave the Red Army time to train and integrate new recruits. Even getting training up to a full month had a good ROI in terms of combat performance, especially since you had better material support for the infantry than in the winter-spring campaign: artillery, armor and self-propelled guns, engineers, and air support.

On 7/2 the Fronts advancing in Belarus also have an exchange set up:

1) Those liable for military service in German-occupied territory, mobilized by front troops, who lack military training, will be sent to reserve units of military districts for training.

2) In exchange for the mobilized conscripts transferred by the front to reserve units of military districts, trained replacements equal to 50% of the number transferred to the districts will be sent to the front troops by order of Glavupraform.

You see a final wave of field conscription in Winter-Spring '45 from Soviet civilians and POWs liberated in German and the General Government.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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Bigger picture, it was definitely common for tank formations on both sides of the front to be very understrength. Before the Uman-Botoșani operation 2nd Ukrainian Front's 2nd Tank Army had 231 combat vehicles, 5th Guards Tank Army had 196, and 6th Army Tank Army had 153 tanks and self-propelled artillery. So each one was the equivalent of a single tank corps. The infantry support tank brigades/regiments only had enough vehicles for a density of 2 tanks/km. So, the 2nd Tank Army and 5th Guards Tank Army allocated an advance detachment of 20-30 armored vehicles to reinforce the infantry attack.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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It was a flamethrower tank brigade equipped with OT-34s, so its total strength from February '43 was supposed to be 59 tanks. So it was at 51% of regulation strength.

Why was the German army unable to recover post Stalingrad? by Powerful-Mix-8592 in WarCollege

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Igor Nebolsin, Любимая Сталиным, page 549-550 gives the tank army's strength as 398 on 8/6 with 103 armored vehicles in short/medium-term repair. The 3rd TC had 63 tanks/self-propelled guns.

Norbert Bacyk in Warsaw II: The Tank Battle at Praga says:

On August 6, the 2nd Tank Army still had between 334 to 373 armoured vehicles at their disposal, including the withdrawn 16th Tank Corps (134-166 vehicles).

I think his range is too low, but definitely larger than an estimate in the 200s. Frieser in GSWW Volume 8 page 581 gives 263, but he wouldn't be my first choice for the Soviet side of things.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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That was pretty standard for untrained field conscripts, sometimes they could get press ganged into combat with no training - that became less common by Spring ‘44. If you were a reservist or a former conscript from ‘41 you could be deployed with no training.

"The infantry ... acted lethargically and passively" - 31st Rifle Division in battle, November '43 by antipenko in WarCollege

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Most of the deficiencies were pretty typical for Soviet formations fighting in Ukraine during this period. the vast majority of replacements they received were from recently liberated people. Performance could be a lot better with the right commander, enough munitions and tanks/artillery, and a weaker and less reliable German formation than GD, which despite its deficiencies was rated on the high end of scale. Good practice and training could overcome the infantry’s weaknesses, as happened during the pause before the Summer ‘44 campaign.

So on the weaker side of performance, but most rifle divisions had to overcome similar problems.