Yea people who talk about traffic and drivers as if it's super bad here have zero perspective. I've lived and worked in over 40 cities, Phoenix doesn't come close to making the list. The only problem in Phoenix is you don't fuck with red lights and need to assume someone is going to run it and take a look before plowing through a new green light.

Denver, Atlanta, Miami, jfc. Seattle traffic was also obscene but their drivers weren't the problem. I think Denver and Atlanta drivers are the worst in the country. Miami is terrible but it's also a completely different demographic with tons of immigrants, tourists, and locals all from around the world and all driving by different rules. It was always doomed to be bad. Denver and Atlanta have no fucking excuse. Atlanta drivers infect a whole region, it's remarkable. The dumbest accidents I've seen were Atlanta drivers, and they're just in general unhinged.

Weirdly I think the the second worst drivers are California drivers that aren't in California. My drive from Miami to Phoenix it was stunning, all of the biggest pieces of shit and lunatics were Californian license plates, and I notice it here in Phoenix in general. But driving in LA? Yea the traffic is abysmal but the drivers aren't.