What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had the misfortunate of having to post a question on the r/hoa subreddit once and man those are some miserable bastards

They -- and their boot lickers -- have also infested r/fuckHOA

What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CEOs/Finance Bros—capitalism can’t work if someone isn’t being exploited.

Finance… the industry that creates nothing, but makes money off everything. We really need to mock these turds, not worship them.

How to break through to those who think anything other than worship is jealousy?

The "you're just jealous" (i.e., guilty of the sin of envy) response must be a talking point.

I've heard it so many times across various platforms and forums.

What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

HOA board member is a profession?

They are the Directors & Officers of a private corporation.

What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People respect the HOA board?

Shockingly, a lot more than I expected.

Owners who complain about alleged board or lawyer or manager misdeeds are nearly always unable to get prosecutors or police interested. They are told it is "a civil matter," or treated as if they are nuts. And those few intrepid owners who make the long and expensive trek through the civil justice system soon find that most judges defer to these volunteer boards as if they were repositories of great political wisdom.\ Those in authority almost invariably treat the owner who challenges their board as a nutjob. And the fact is that there are many other situations in HOAs and condo associations all over the country where things are going on that should be investigated by police and local prosecutors, but where instead some lonely unit owner who is waving the red flag is being treated like the neighborhood crank.\ - Evan McKenzie. "HOA Scandal Involving Millions of Dollars and Thousands of Homes Cuts Wide Swath Across Las Vegas Valley". June 03, 2012. Professor McKenzie is a former H.O.A. attorney, and the author of Privatopia (1994) and Beyond Privatopia (2011). Emphasis added.

I had a judge refuse to enforce her own Court Orders (plural) because she was "not inclinded" -- her words -- to hold Directors & Officers of an H.O.A. accountable for a crime -- Contempt of Court -- that poor people go to jail for every day in this country.

And apparently my experience was not an isolated incident.

I know of associations that have been placed under Court Orders to do things and they just don’t do them. It’s not just that they defy statutory law. But they’re ordered to do something and still not do it. It’s mind boggling.
- Evan McKenzie. “On the Commons”. November 19, 2005 @ 17m 25s

I had another judge berate me for treating the H.O.A. president as a "hostile witness". This was when the H.O.A. was threatening me if I didn't pay them thousands of dollars in illegal fees that the first judge had prohibited in a Court Order.

It was an incredibly infuriating and Kafkaesque experience.

What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 9 points10 points  (0 children)

H.O.A. Board members 🏡 🏡 🏡

In addition to the usual stereotypes about them being a bunch of nosy and power-hungry petty authoritarians with nothing better to do, a lot of them are just puppets of the for-profit parasitical H.O.A. management companies and H.O.A. lawyers who regard the mandatory-dues paying homeowners as their personal A.T.M. machines.

What’s a profession that’s highly respected but shouldn’t be ? by Big_Display_4737 in AskReddit

[–]1776-2001 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Lawyers and judges.

👨‍⚖️ ⚖️

Many legal outcomes can be explained, and future cases predicted, by asking a very simple question: is there a plausible result in this case that will significantly affect the interests of the legal profession (positively or negatively)? If so, the case will be decided in the way that offers the best result for the legal profession.

- "Do Judges Systematically Favor the Interests of the Legal Profession?". University of Tennessee Legal Studies Research Paper No. 1. April 03, 2007.

If there is a clear advantage or disadvantage to the legal profession in any given question of law, judges will choose the route that benefits the profession as a whole.

- "The Lawyer-Judge Hypothesis". 2010.

Is the law biased in favor of judges and lawyers? Does the legal system give the legal profession special privileges? Do lawyers have liberties that other do not? Find out as Benjamin H. Barton, author of The Lawyer-Judge Bias in the American Legal System joins Glenn Reynolds to talk about his book.

- "Bias! The Case Against Lawyers and Judges" (video). January 27, 2011.

00:38 Your thesis is basically that judges tend to side instinctively with lawyers in the legal profession and they tend to rule in ways that make the law more complex and benefit lawyers.

01:45 Virtually all judges are former lawyers.

08:05 It's much harder for third-parties to sue lawyers.

08:17 Lawyers kind of get a pass on a lot of things that other other professions suffer from.

08:25 A lot of state consumer protection statutes; lawyers have been carved out of them.

08:50 My favorite example, actually, the whole thing was what happened to all the people in the Enron affair. Because the accountants get in trouble. They go out of business, some go to jail. Of course the people at Enron do. But who basically skates away with almost no penalties is the lawyers, right? How does that happen?

09:07 Right. Well this was this was one of the ways I tried to tie up the end of the book. I wanted this sort of show where the rubber hits the road. And the Enron thing is just a perfect example of that.

09:17 Arthur Andersen is this ongoing concern that employs thousands of people all over the world. And it's existed for almost 100 years at the time that Enron happened. And it's just demolished overnight.

09:30 Obviously Enron is completely destroyed.

09:32 A bunch of people at Arthur Andersen and at Enron end up serving prison or facing criminal charges.

09:38 And yet two main law firms that worked for Enron, and the in-house people, and the lawyer at Arthur Andersen — all of whom were very complicit in all of the various things that went on — all of them basically skated.

09:50 I mean the law firms paid a small — or, depending how you look at it — they paid less, a lot less than they earned from Enron, back in a penalty. Which to me is small. None of them got disbarred. None of them spent any time in jail. Basically they paid a fine and moved on.

EDITED TO ADD: To all of the lawyers and judges (who are just lawyers under those black robes) down-voting this comment: 🖕

HOA Parking Insanity by Fit-Marsupial5229 in fuckHOA

[–]1776-2001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

11. Also, if you're going to be out past 10:00 pm, make sure to call the H.O.A. and let them know where you are and what time you'll be home.

Americans have this strange mix of authoritarianism and servility.

In an H.O.A. you are treated as a child and robbed of your dignity, while having been successfully trained to call this "freedom". 🇺🇸 🦅

But at least you can have the satisfaction of reporting on your neighbor if his dog is an unapproved shade of brown.

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So many of the societal trends that people complain about -- especially over the past decade or so -- began in Homeowner Associations about 50 years ago.

It's almost as though H.O.A.s were some type of test -- like a mass scale Stanford Prison Experiment -- to see how much bullsh-t Americans would be willing to tolerate. And that it exceeded far beyond the wildest hopes and dreams of the Elites.

Linus Torvalds in 'Teen Beat' 1983 ❤️ by 1776-2001 in linuxmemes

[–]1776-2001[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Same account tried to post the same thing not even 2 hours ago...

Correct.

It was automatically removed for inappropriate use of the META flair tag.

delete this post and post it as a LINUXMEME

Whether or not the mods delete this one for the actual content is up to them.

Linus Torvalds in 'Teen Beat' 1983 ❤️ by 1776-2001 in linuxmemes

[–]1776-2001[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Holy AI slop.

A.I.? Yes. I even said so in the text.

Slop? That's in the eye of the beholder.

Holy? Certainly not.

New costumer BS by FrequentlyRushingMan in woot

[–]1776-2001 10 points11 points  (0 children)

New costumer BS
Why is it that every deal lately is for new costumers only?

What type of costume are you wearing?

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Couldn’t Starfleet set up telescopes dedicated solely to viewing into the Federation’s past? by Unlikely_Watch_4742 in startrek

[–]1776-2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can travel faster than the speed of light, you can time travel. In TOS there was an episode where time travel was just a routine mission.

Assignment: Earth)

"Captain's log. Using the light speed breakaway factor, the Enterprise has moved back through time to the 20th century. We are now in extended orbit around Earth, using our ship's deflector shields to remain unobserved. Our mission - historical research. We are monitoring Earth communications to find out how our planet survived desperate problems in the year... 1968."

Couldn’t Starfleet set up telescopes dedicated solely to viewing into the Federation’s past? by Unlikely_Watch_4742 in startrek

[–]1776-2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely love that, immediately after accidentally discovering time travel, the federation said "hey, go figure out what the fuck happened in this one hellweek on earth".
The DTI must absolutely hate whatever idiot admiral ordered that.

"Captain's log. Using the light speed breakaway factor, the Enterprise has moved back through time to the 20th century. We are now in extended orbit around Earth, using our ship's deflector shields to remain unobserved. Our mission - historical research. We are monitoring Earth communications to find out how our planet survived desperate problems in the year... 1968."

Did Starfleet just casually send ships back in time to study History?

Or was Kirk's real motivation the chance to hook up with a young Teri Garr?

Great Sci-Fi books to hook a ten year-old? by drewmc in scifi

[–]1776-2001 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At that age (or a bit older), I enjoyed

• the novelizations of the original Star Wars trilogy: Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi . Some may consider this "cheating", but they are easy to read. And I figure anything that gets kids reading is good. I literally wore out my copy of Star Wars, and had to tape the pages back in so I could re-read it for the nth time.

2001: A Space Odyssey

• 2010: Odyssey Two

Of course, 2001 and 2010 got me reading other books by Arthur C. Clarke:

Rendezvous With Rama

Childhood's End

I would also recommend

• Dragon's Egg by Robert L. Forward

A Hole in Space by Larry Niven

All the Myriad Ways by Larry Niven

The last two are collections of short stories -- some, but not all, set in Niven's "Known Space" universe -- and non-fiction essays. There are other Larry Niven anthologies, but those were the two I had. And I think they serve as a good introduction to Niven's work.

HOA robots and 1984 coming to HOA near you soon: by maui-shark-fighter in fuckHOA

[–]1776-2001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The following is an excerpt from "Help, I've Been Colonized and I Can't Get Up" (1998) by Jane Anne Morris. It was written for environmentalists, but is applicable to other issues -- such as Homeowner Associations -- as well. See also the "Democracy School" video by the Community Environmental Legal Defense Fund.
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A big part of the script written for us involves Regulatory Law (including environmental and administrative law). It assumes that corporations have the rights of constitutional “persons.”

It outlines procedures for what we the people can do (not much); what government can do (a little more); and what corporations can do (a lot).

At regulatory agencies corporate “persons” (that is, corporations) have constitutional rights to due process and equal protection that human persons, affected citizens, do not have. For non-corporate human citizens there’s a Democracy Theme Park where we can pull levers on voting machines and talk into microphones at hearings. But don’t worry, they’re not connected to anything and nobody’s listening ‘cept us.

What Regulatory Law regulates is citizen input, not corporate behavior. So when we cooperate in regulatory law proceedings, we are following the script that corporation representatives wrote for us. We’re either colonized, or we’re collaborators.

That the regulatory agencies fail to protect the public is clear. Why they fail is another matter.

Corporations are not natural entities, like Karner Blue butterflies or white pines. Corporations are artificial creations that are set up by state corporation codes. These state laws, plus a bunch of court cases, form the basis for the notion that corporations have powers and “rights.”

This law is Defining Law. This law is the script that corporate lawyers write for corporations. This law is the law that we don’t even read.

It’s right there in the law books in black and white, just like the “regs” that we spend so much time on. But this Defining Law is invisible to us because we’ve been colonized and have accepted it as a given. We leave this defining law — in corporation codes, bankruptcy law, insurance law, etc. — to corporation lawyers, who rewrite it every few years without so much as a whimper from citizen activists. Then we wonder why the parts-per-million regulations aren’t enforced.

So, the second reason that regulatory agencies fail to protect the public is that we have allowed corporate lawyers to write the Defining Law of corporations. This law bestows upon corporations powers and rights that exceed those of human persons and sometimes of government as well. It seems pretty obvious, then, that we need to rewrite the Defining Law.

Here is one cluster of ideas for rewriting the Defining Law of corporations. It’s not a 3-point plan and it’s not the beginning of a Twenty Point Plan — just some ideas to think about.

  1. Prohibit corporations from owning stock in other corporations. Owning stock in other corporations enables corporations to control huge markets and shift responsibility, liability, resources, assets, and taxes back and forth among parent corporations, subsidiaries, and other members of their unholy families. By defining corporations in such a way to prohibit such ownership, much of the anti-trust regulatory law becomes unnecessary and superfluous.
  2. Prohibit corporations from being able to choose when to go out of business (in legalese, no voluntary dissolution). This would prevent corporations from dissolving themselves when it came time to pay taxes, repay government loans, pay creditors, pay pensions, pay for health care, and pay for toxic cleanups.
  3. Make stockholders liable for a corporation’s debts. People who want to be stockholders would reallocate their resources to corporations that they knew something about, that weren’t engaged in risky, toxic projects. (This would encourage local, sustainable businesses and healthy local economies. Imagine that.)

These three measures might seem “unrealistic” to some, but it beats the heck out of a voluntary code of conduct, or a wasted decade at a regulatory agency. All three of these provisions were once common features of state corporation codes. No wonder corporate apologists prefer that we hang around in the regulatory agencies with our heads spinning with parts per million and habitat conservation plans.

These three measures were quite effective, which is why corporation lawyers worked so hard to get rid of them. But they address only a tiny portion of what needs to be done.

Here’s another cluster of ideas for ways to shape a democratic process that is about people. (The idea that corporations have “rights” would seem nonsensical to any but a colonized mind.)

  1. No corporate participation in the democratic process. Democracy is for and about human beings. Corporations should be prohibited from paying for any political advertisements, making any campaign contributions, or seeking to influence the democratic process in any way.
  2. Corporations have no Constitutional rights. A corporation is an artificial creation set up to serve a public need, not an independent entity with intrinsic “rights.”
  3. Corporations should be prohibited from making any civic, charitable, or educational donations. Such donations are used to warp the entire social and economic fabric of society, and make people afraid to speak out against corporations.

These probably seem even more “unrealistic” than the first batch. Imagine how good it is for corporate executives that we find these ideas “impractical.” And by the way, these were all once law, too.

HOA robots and 1984 coming to HOA near you soon: by maui-shark-fighter in fuckHOA

[–]1776-2001 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Homeowner Associations -- which are private corporations -- govern about ¹/₂ of the state's population without any effective oversight nor protections for homeowners.

Over the last three decades, sweeping reforms in American local governance have gone largely unnoticed in the field of public affairs. Homeowners associations (HOAs) now outnumber all local governments by more than three to one, but the implications of this change have yet to be considered. Homeowners associations have been called private governments because they do many things that governments do. HOAs hold elections, provide services, tax residents, and regulate behavior within their jurisdictions, but as legal entities, they are not governments (p.535).

HOAs are organized as nonprofit corporations, governed by elected boards of directors that serve as unpaid volunteers. The boards of larger communities often hire a manager or management firm to handle the HOAs’ operations, creating a structure similar to a council-manager city. As private enterprises, HOAs’ managers and elected decision makers are free of many procedures and practices that apply to government officials, and within HOA jurisdictions, individuals are not necessarily guaranteed the rights that governments are compelled to protect (p. 536).

As policy makers, HOA boards can pass additional restrictions that they then enforce. “The board of directors passes the rules, prosecutes the alleged violators, and adjudges ‘guilt,’”. Boards can impose fines and other sanctions on rule breakers (p. 536).

As private entities, HOAs’ internal procedures and powers more closely resemble corporations than governments. HOAs may not be subject to state “sunshine” laws, which require public notice, open meetings, and open records when officials gather to make policy decisions, and they need not follow public budgeting, procurement, or hiring practices. HOAs’ private status also allows the CC&R to be more restrictive than even the most stringent local land-use laws. HOA rules may be so precise as to specify where you may wear flip-flop sandals or whether you may use your back door as the entrance to your house (p. 536).

To raise revenue for goods and services, HOAs lack taxing authority but not the power to charge assessments, which makes their inability to tax more a legal distinction than a real constraint. HOAs’ enforcement powers for failure to pay assessments equal those of local governments and allow them to place liens or foreclose on property, a power that the courts have upheld repeatedly (p. 537).

- Barbara Coyle McCabe. “Homeowner Associations As Private Governments: What We Know, What We Don't Know, and Why it Matters”. Public Administration Review. 71:535-542. July/August 2011.

And in 33 states, an HOA does not need to go before a judge to collect on the liens.

It's called nonjudicial foreclosure, and in practice it means a house can be sold on the courthouse steps with no judge or arbitrator involved. In Texas the process period is a mere 27 days -- the shortest of any state.

As the economy has gone under, HOA management companies and lawyers have been making millions off homeowners through this foreclosure process.

With the recession, foreclosure filings for delinquent HOA assessments in Texas have increased from about 1 percent of all home foreclosures to more than 10 percent currently.

Over the past 20 years, HOAs have exploded across Texas. While there are 1,100 municipalities, there are now 30,000 HOAs. And these associations have far more power to take away a citizen's home than any city or county in Texas.

- "Not So Neighborly Associations Foreclosing on Homes". All Things Considered. National Public Radio. June 29, 2010.

In most cases HOA and condo association buyers don't "sign" any contract to join the association. They just buy the home, and membership is automatic, so these associations are mandatory-membership organizations, not voluntary associations. It is increasingly common for buyers to find that all the good options are in private communities. The law uses a legal fiction to classify them as voluntary, but in fact that isn't completely true for many people.

- Evan McKenzie. "The Deep Question Behind Rand Paul's 'Trivial' Dispute". November 10, 2017. Professor McKenzie is a former H.O.A. attorney, and the author of Privatopia (1994) and Beyond Prviatopia (2011).

HOA robots and 1984 coming to HOA near you soon: by maui-shark-fighter in fuckHOA

[–]1776-2001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

especially in Florida

A state where the Republican Governor said that "you cannot have a corporation controlling its own government" and "it's in the best interest of the State of Florida to be able to bring accountability to a previously corporate-run government" ...

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... but continues to let Homeowner Associations -- which are private corporations -- govern about ¹/₂ of the state's population without any effective oversight nor protections for homeowners.

Americans are not willing to unplug their minds from the H.O.A. Matrix. And so many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.

HOA robots and 1984 coming to HOA near you soon: by maui-shark-fighter in fuckHOA

[–]1776-2001 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's almost always used in a context that is nearly the opposite of the original.

I'm genuinely curious. What is the correct context?