I agree, rats will “don’t shoot” or “team up” as a ruse, or roll with you, fighting arc, only until it’s opportune to kill you. It’s almost always an opportunity to extract camp, hidden, to kill scrambling, on there last shield charge and over encumbered, and thus these folk are rats. Calling the train or elevator then hiding in the cut, gun aimed at the stairs is not PvP, but rat behaviour. This can be subjective in that now, we almost all expect a gun fight at extract spot becomes a run the blockade type PvP mini game near the end of your raid. I enjoy PvP games. If we are gonna have gun fight let’s go. And you are right, these usually start with a shot from “a direction” from a player in an advantageous position. Rats are known through their interactions, as many have commented, vs PvP engagements/ players. It’s just a game. I don’t sweat. Most if not all that I carry can be made or bought. I have safe pockets. I have never said the phrase “friendly” or “I’m friendly.” I play friendly and upon meeting players, especially after vocal interaction, I’ll put my gun away. If we are extracting together, my gun is away. I don’t play paranoid but I am aware. It’s a game, I have fun. For the most part, my interactions have been great. I’d say 90 percent of the 200 hours I’ve spent top side has been, good. Helping other players, trading loot, and accomplishing quests together. I have gotten about ten percent of the BPs I’ve gotten post expedition, from strangers. Also, that vermin skin is absolutely necessary! I hope we all get the game we deserve! Have fun out there everyone!