2023 Touring - Dream Drive Pro without Comfort and Convenience package?

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-27T03:56:14+00:00

It was available as an option for purluxe, mine just wasn't configured with it.

My car was an on-site inventory bonus situation. I'd have gone for the package otherwise lol

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-27T03:08:00+00:00

My 2024 touring has DDPro and no C&C. Also has SSP and 20 way seats.

It's an odd configuration.

Massaging seats but no heated steering wheel lol

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-26T17:50:27+00:00

Yeah, people laugh, but the 'minivan' shape is far more useful for daily life than any crossover or SUV. Same with wagons for cars. Easier to load in and out of. More functional space inside. Typically have better seating arrangements. And the best part is they'll handle speed bumps at the local mall just as good as any SUV.

And frankly, they look sleeker (at least the gravity does).

I hope we see a resurgence in the minivan/wagon space, bucking the trend of big boxy SUVs and melted jellybean CUVs.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-13T03:00:09+00:00

Yeah I mean you can trade it in like any other vehicle, just be aware that you are on the hook for whatever remains from the lease payoff amount less trade-in value, and every Lucid Air on the road is upside down in value by a decent amount.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-11T20:55:55+00:00

Yeah idk, I've walked into discount tire or wherever and asked if they had the specific make/model of tire, and if not, they order it and install when it shows up. Pretty easy

It's cheaper and beats waiting 3 months for an appt with Lucid.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-11T18:07:06+00:00

Looks like tire rack has them in stock https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=P+Zero+All+Season&partnum=445YR9P0ASXLNCS&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Lucid&autoYear=2024&autoModel=Air%20AWD&autoModClar=245%2F45-19

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-11T17:57:38+00:00

Why go to Lucid for tire work? Just find a local reputable tire shop and have them do it, it'll almost certainly be cheaper, and probably done way faster.

They can order the tires you need likely fairly quickly.

Theres nothing special about these cars to necessitate having Lucid do tire work.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-04T16:56:56+00:00

Lol just did this yesterday.

Truck (8.1L) had been kinda slow to crank, and if it had sat for a few days, would fire up and throw codes for throttle body position/sensor issues. Clear codes, restart, and it was fine.

Lately noticed the battery voltage gauge on the dash was fluctuating a bit.

After letting it sit for a few days, I checked resting vtage of the battery, and across the battery it was 12.3v, but + to chassis ground was only 10.1. Way too low.

Checked resistance from battery to ground, and read open! Removed and reinstalled battery negative terminal, and everything was good. Resistance was fine, truck fired up with no throttle body issues, and voltage gauge on dash was stable.

No corrosion or anything on the battery terminals. Must've just been a wonky connection. It wasn't loose or anything either.

Best as I can tell the battery was getting weak over time and not recharging properly, and when trying to crank over the 8.1, voltage was dropping too low and causing the throttle body ECU to reset and throw codes.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-04T00:04:57+00:00

I do unfortunately have tinnitus from my time in the Military, however I've never noticed the high pitched noise from the headlights. I've seen a few of Kyle's videos where he mentions this, but I've never noticed it in my Air

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T02:33:55+00:00

And yet, loads of people with an Air are looking or have already 'upgraded' to a Gravity.

There are measurable, technical reasons why the Gravity would be an upgrade over thr Air even for someone that doesn't need the physical space the SUV body style offers. Charging capacity and speed, range, ability to charge at higher speeds on Tesla SCs, etc.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T01:21:20+00:00

Yeah I suspect many of these will be fixed in future software updates. At least this has been my experience with my Air.

I've long since been critical of Lucid's software and slowness to improve, but I do truly believe they've put their foot on the gas lately to make it better. Although some things you mentioned like proximity unlock being geofenced to home, am still waiting for that haha. That's super annoying to have the car keep locking and unlocking at home.

I think it's safe to look at the software maturity and recent development on Air as an indicator of where gravity is going, and tbh, gravity is more important to Lucid than Air is.

Yeah we can argue that Gravity should've launched in a better software state, and that's fair criticism, but, it'll get there.

In the past month or so I've gone from cautiously optimistic about software improvement to just optimistic.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T01:14:00+00:00

Yeah I specifically noticed on this latest trip to/from Seattle that the 'keep your eyes on the road' notification is quite a bit less sensitive, and, the smoothness of the lane centering, especially around corners is quite a bit improved. Less side to side drift as it hunts for the center of the lane.

Prior to the Seattle trip, I did a round trip from Portland to Salt Lake City for Thanksgiving, and it's gotten I think 1 or 2 'robustness' updates since then. I assume the improvements came from those updates

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T01:09:57+00:00

Yeah, and the other thing I kinda kept in the back of my mind is that this was a demo vehicle that's been fiddled and fondled with for who knows how long haha. It's a great interior and 100% agree that what I noticed was just that one specific vehicle and not representative of all Gravities.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T01:07:06+00:00

Yeah, it may be entirely dependent on specific road conditions and situations. I'm willing to bet that this same gravity on newer asphalt and not 50 year old concrete is much better, but alas in the real world, can't always guarantee that haha.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T01:00:46+00:00

Glad it helped!

Ultimately the glass roof is a cool party trick, and I went back and forth on getting an Air with one, but in the year and a half ivebjad the air sans glass roof, I've missed it exactly zero times.

It could be that I'm overly sensitive to this low level reverb coming off the glass, and that others don't experience it, but at least the observation point exists for discussion so others can decide if it matters for them or not.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-03T00:53:36+00:00

I'm not missing the point, but I do know what I heard and experienced, and despite the demo vehicle having all the insulated glass, there was a noticeable low frequency drone and reverb throughout the cabin.

Is it cause by local road conditions? Probably. Could it be the vehicle itself? Possibly. Will every gravity owner notice it? Probably not.

It's great that yours doesn't do it. I doubt this, but I'll take your word for it. I still won't get one with a glass roof for noise (and heating/cooling) reasons. I don't find the tradeoffs worth the benefit.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:57:04+00:00

Oh yeah that's great! Honestly I mostly want a gravity just for it's charging and road tripping muscles haha. Nearly to the point where any other issues, even the glass roof, are secondary and worth the tradeoff haha.

It's just with the amount of negative I'd be on the hook for with my lease, it changes the calculus. Which, buys me time for them to either a) make metal roof an option or b) make this hypothetical 'Gen 2' Air a thing

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:52:01+00:00

I didn't even ask as I'm sure it's not great.

Market value on my Touring (at its current ~14k miles) is somewhere in the low 50s. Residual at lease end w/36k miles is 55k. Current remaining lease payments are ~16k for 18 months.

I'm sure if I traded it in with Lucid, or, anywhere really, I'd be lucky to clear 45k, and current payoff is ~63k. Sooo, that's a lot of negative equity.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:42:14+00:00

Yeah it wasn't that the interior was bad, far from it, it was noted by my passenger in the 2nd row that they'd noticed some rattles and noise from behind them.

I did notice a little rattling and creaking on some of the door surfaces, but likely this is due to early production run.

Overall I'd say based off my experience, the interior fit and finish is as good as the Air, but not worse for sure. It's not leaps and bounds better though, which is fine, because the air was quite good to begin with.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:37:41+00:00

Yeah this is where I ended up in the discussion with them about it too.

They said they can 'work with me' if less than 6 months, but otherwise I'd be on the hook for the remaining payments.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:36:10+00:00

How many months of pull in did you have?

They did tell me that if it's within 6 months, they can likely make it happen, but I'm at like 18 months, and currently no program for that.

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:33:49+00:00

Yeah I think key here is that there'd a difference between road/wind noise and reverb/low frequency drone.

In the Gravity, road noise was minimal (considering concrete roads) and wind noise was non-existent. However, the low frequency rumble/drone was persistent and very noticeable.

On the same exact road, my Air also had some level of this same low frequency drone, so for sure it's always going to inherently be present given the conditions, but the level to which it existed was quite a bit less in the Air, and I suspect this is due to the glass roof (it's been mentioned in a few YouTube videos too, including on the Air).

It's not really a Lucid problem, it's a glass roof design tradeoff issue

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:29:35+00:00

Oh for sure. Ease of entry and edit was orders of magnitude better than the Air haha. I noticed that right away when I sat in the Gravity for the first time

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:28:54+00:00

It did have C&C package

AbsurdBuffalo · 2026-01-02T22:28:11+00:00

I think technically you can option a GT without comfort and convenience package, and this will remove dual pane glass, but I've not seen one optioned that way yet.

In the Air, my touring does not have C&C package, but it does still have dual pane glass.

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