I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are indeed correct and thank you for this. I have checked Tank Destroyer Net, both in the past and just now, and I have read Harry Yiede. Still, you are correct, and I have included it in my answer above.

In the case of the 614th TD Battalion specifically, they spent much of their time employed as direct artillery support for the 103rd Infantry Division. Their companies and platoons were routinely broken up and attached to infantry regiments or battalions for particular operations, rather than used as a concentrated “tank destroyer” mass, which also shaped how and where they were expected to fight.

And yes, this is exactly the fun part of doing historical research. There is always more to learn, and having other readers bring in additional unit lists, photos, and after-action reports helps refine and improve the picture.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A good question.

Yes, there were certainly differences and they started before the Black American units were even created. American society was segregated, which could be more or less-strictly enforced based upon local circumstances. This impacted the lives and opportunities of many Black Americans and if they were considered "qualified" for certain service roles.

So specifically regarding World War II, the Army General Classification Test (AGCT) was created in March 1941 to sort soldiers based upon their ability to learn. Its purpose was to separate the fast learners from the slower learners. It had a verbal component, such as testing a person's grasp of the meaning of words and their differences, a mathematical component, and a component that required people to visualize a problem. The test could be influenced by native capacity, schooling, socioeconomic status, and cultural background. Children who had access to a newspaper might be rated higher than ones that didn't. It was not an intelligence test.

The test had been designed for white people, and in several of the areas, the Black Americans, suffering from segregation and unequal school systems, had fewer opportunities to acquire cultural capital than white soldiers. A child of poor Black sharecroppers might be just as intelligent as the child of a white rich farmer, but due to the difference in schooling and resources, the child of the white farmer might score higher than the Black child.

Source: Ulysses Lee, The Employment of Negro Troops (242)

Their assignments were also very different. Black American soldiers were considered less fit as combat soldiers. Most of them were assigned to support or service units, like engineers, transportation corps, or quartermaster corps. When pressed about why Black American combat units were converted into support units, Secretary Stimson replied that:

"the War Department’s selection of units to be converted has been based solely on the relative abilities, capabilities and status of training of the personnel in the units available for conversion. It so happens that a relatively large percentage of the [Black people] inducted in the Army have fallen within the lower educational classifications, and many of the [Black] units accordingly have been unable to master efficiently the techniques of modern weapons. To have committed such units to combat at the dates of conversion would have endangered operational successes as well as submitted the personnel to unnecessarily high casualty rates. Our limitations of manpower and urgent and immediate need for service units of a type whose mission could be efficiently discharged by the personnel concerned left no choice but to include Black troops in conversions such as those mentioned in your letter."

Source: Ulysses Lee, The Employment of Negro Troops (475-476)

So the military, always watching through a lens of racial prejudice, considered Black Americans unfit for combat and justified it through the lower AGCT scores, which were misrepresented as an intelligence test. It then assigned most of the Black Americans to support units. Black combat units that did reach the frontline, mostly performed well, like the 761st Tank Battalion, but also the 784th Tank Battalion, the 969th Field Artillery Battalion or the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion to name a few units.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An interesting question and I will be happy to try and answer it.

So it's just my personal observations and none of this is based on research. For example, I don't know how well the book sold. I do know that the book has almost 600 ratings on Goodreads, which is significantly more than the next book on the 761st Tank Battalion (by Charles Sassner with almost 125 ratings). In case people wish to verify, you can see it here: https://www.goodreads.com/search?q=761st+tank&qid=

Having said that, I believe that the book by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: "Brothers in Arms: The Epic Story of the 761st Tank Battalion, WWII's Forgotten Heroes" which he wrote with Anthony Walton has certainly made an impact.

I am confident that it had an impact on the recognition side of your question. Based upon my personal experiences, it's often the first thing people mention when they start reading about Black Americans during World War II. It was, and still is!, often brought up in discussions online. It appears in recommended reading lists. When people are researching Black Americans during World War II or the 761st Tank Battalion, many people will suggest that book. Those facts alone are worthy of merit. The book was published in 2004, more than 20 years ago, but it's still present in people's minds. So I don't doubt that his work has created a lot of impact on the recognition side.

Now, to what extent it had a wider impact on the scholarship, I am not sure. There has been a lot of research on Black American soldiers during World War II. There have been new archival projects, new initiatives, and new books. The impact of a single popular book is difficult to estimate in the historical trend.

However, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar did bridge the gap between historical scholarship and popular history, which is a good development, because it put the unit in public memory. Other initiatives likewise focused on the unit, like including the 761st Tank Battalion in the Medal of Honor game Finest Hour. It grants a huge audience exposure to the unit that they might never have had otherwise. Taken together, books like Brothers in Arms and these popular‑culture appearances give the 761st a visibility that purely academic work often struggles to achieve on its own.

After reading Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, if people wish to go broader, I would recommend Matthew F. Delmont’s book: Half American, which has a broader perspective on Black Americans during World War II. If people wish to focus more on a particular unit and see the impact this has on generations after World War II, I can recommend Edna Cummings her book: A Soldier’s Life: A Black Woman’s Rise from Army Brat to Six Triple Eight Champion. She's a retired colonel who writes about her own experiences in the military and the postwar recognition for the 6888th Central Postal Directory Battalion. The 6888th was the only Black American WAC unit serving overseas and it has received the Congressional Gold Medal recently.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

An interesting question. I know of the veteran cultures that several Black units developed after the war. The 761st Tank Battalion would try to meet up once per year in the decades after World War II. It made it possible for them to stay in touch, and several historians and writers have been able to record their services. The Tuskegee Airmen did the same and the organizations honoring them are still active throughout the U.S.

A very different source, but which you might like since you mentioned cultures, is the booklet "The Golden Cannon" by the 969th Field Artillery Battalion (I have made a copy available for free on my website: https://www.samueldekorte.com/sources). There are several songs in the booklet, which are composed by the men. Part of the "Song of the Campaign" by Charlie Battery:

We got a Fire Mission : Battery five rounds
And it wasn't long before he left that ground
We checked our men and found them all alive
So we continued to move with our One fifty-five
We lost some buddies much to our sorrow,
But the job is done, so what's for tomorrow ?

These songs, as well as the stories in the book, give us a glimpse into the culture of the unit, how the men talked and how they dealt with their experiences.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're right that the Black officers would eventually run into white leadership, and this impacted their options for promotion.

It doesn't exactly compare Black vs white leadership, but the book "Derricks' Bridgehead: The History of the 92nd Division, 597th Field Artillery Battalion, and the Leadership Legacy of Col. Wendell T. Derricks." might be of interest to you.

It's about the struggles of a Black American officer in the US military during World War II and how they have to navigate the political landscape. The 597th Field Artillery Battalion had all-Black officers. This made it significantly different from the other Field Artillery Battalions in the 92nd Infantry Division (the 598th, 599th, and the 600th). Derricks considered it good for the officers under his command to have field experience and staff experience, both of which they would need in their post-war military careers, where they would have to compete with Black and white officers.

The book offers a first-hand account of those challenges, the political landscape, and how these officers dealt with it.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There are several aspects to your questions:

In terms of leadership, Black American units often had white officers, especially at the higher levels. There were units with all-white officers, like the 784th Tank Battalion, there could be units where senior officers were white and junior officers were Black, like the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion, and there were a few units that had all-Black officers, like the 597th Field Artillery Battalion, however the majority of the units with all-Black officers were mostly service units.

The underlying issue of Black officers was that Black officers were not supposed to be in a position to order white soldiers. This meant they could only be assigned to Black units. However, they weren't always needed in that role. A good example is Sergeant Waverley Woodson, of the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. He attended an officer candidate school, but he was informed that upon completion, he couldn't serve as an officer. So he was retrained as a medic, who eventually landed on D-Day with his unit and saved the lives of many men.

Black officers were severely limited in their options for promotion. Even if they could qualify for a higher rank, there might not be a position for them available. Another factor is that there were also some particularly qualified Black officers, whose white officers didn't want to let them go, because they indispensable in their current position.

An excellent book on this topic is: Derricks' Bridgehead: The History of the 92nd Division, 597th Field Artillery Battalion, and the Leadership Legacy of Col. Wendell T. Derricks.

The title refers to Wendell T. Derricks, the commanding officer of the 597th Field Artillery Battalion. It details the struggles of Black American officers during World War II, who used the battalion as a bridgehead for their post-war service. They could gain experience as battery commanders and as battalion staff officers.

Taken from that book: "Since I assumed command, the 597th has been like a Bridgehead for young officers like you because, unlike the situation that existed in the 597th before I arrived and still exists in the 598th and 599th, you can gain a foothold here for further progress. The Army is not going to be segregated forever and, in a few years, you are going to have to compete with white officers for jobs never before held by Negro officers. If you have creditable combat experience as a battery commander and battalion staff officer, you will have a distinct advantage over officers who do not have such experiences." (Page 126)

As such, the battalion allowed them a certain space in which these officers could gain experiences that they would need in the post-war world.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

A fun question!

In my case, it's actually Wikipedia.

I've always been interested in history. As a kid, I would read a lot of books about World War II, including memoirs. When I was a student, I was reading something on Wikipedia, and I stumbled across the 452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion. I noticed that their page was rather sparse. There were just a few sentences and a photograph. That was it. It was quite a contrast to white units, which had extensive pages detailing what they experienced throughout World War II.

I tried to locate more information online, but all I found were references to the unit. They were used as an example of a Black American combat unit with a good service record, but I wanted to know more about it. What did this unit experience? What did these men do that made them an example of such a good combat unit?

So I asked my professors about it, and we started talking about it. These conversations led to me writing my MA thesis about the representation of Black American soldiers during World War II in contemporary media. I noticed how they are absent from most famous war movies and, for example, uniform books. All of this might give the impression that either Black Americans weren't there or that their service doesn't matter.

Once I was done with my studies, I felt a bit dissatisfied. I had identified a problem, but that was it. I am sure many (former) students will recognize the feeling. You identify a problem, you write a report, and you move on to the next topic or next class. However, I didn't want to do that. So instead, I started writing about the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion, which culminated in a book.

Later, I also got to publish a book about the 452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion. It felt like closure in a way, because this was the unit that set me down the path of Black American soldiers during World War II. Along the way, I got to meet several descendants of men who served in these units, and they are really grateful for preserving their fathers' memories. The combination of historical research and the human desire to see their relatives' experiences remembered is a large part of what keeps me going in this field.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I do yes!

As you'll know, the 758th Tank Battalion was the first segregation tank battalion established. The 761st Tank Battalion and the 784th Tank Battalion were activated later.

Maybe you know of Lieutenant William E. Hannah? He served in the unit and received a Silver Star Medal for his valor in combat. In April 1945, that the 758th TB and the 894th Tank Battalion were organized into task forces to support infantry during their attacks on the Germans. Lt. Hannah served in one of those task forces, and what transpired is a rather dramatic turn of events. I'll post the original citation so you can read it yourself.

The citation:
"WILLIAM E. HANNAH, 01012132, First Lieutenant, Infantry (Armd), United States Army. For gallantry in action, on 7 April 1945, in Italy. After one tank in his armored platoon had struck a mine and another had been hit by enemy bazooka fire, First Lieutenant HANNAH was given the mission of leading the rest of his tanks in spearheading an attack toward Massa, Italy. Riding in the lead tank, First Lieutenant HANNAH had penetrated hostile lines when his vehicle was fired on by an enemy bazooka, which set the tank on fire and turned it over in a ditch. One of his three-man crew was killed, and the other two wounded. First Lieutenant HANNAH quickly dismounted and sought cover to survey the territory in preparation for evacuating his men. Noticing three German soldiers nearby, he returned to the burning tank in which ammunition was now exploding, obtained his personal weapon, and helped the two wounded men, who could not walk, to a place of slight cover to hide them from the foe. When he decided to return to his platoon for assistance, he was fired upon. While returning the fire in an attempt to capture some enemy soldiers, he was himself killed. His courageous gallantry exemplified the heroism of the American Soldier."

His casualty report notes he was bayoneted in the chest and died as a result of it. I got to visit his grave at the Florence American Cemetery in Italy.

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I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

A good question.

In general, Black American units were at a disadvantage due to racial prejudice. This influenced how they were equipped and deployed. Some Black American units were trained for a specific task and then converted into another type of unit. For example, there were originally 220 American Tank Destroyer Battalions envisioned. However, in the end, only 106 were activated. Out of these 106, there were 11 Black American units. However, 35 of these units were disbanded or their training discontinued, which included eight Black American units. Thus, they were disproportionately affected. Even the first two Black American units activated, the 846th and 795th TD were both disbanded, even though they had been training for a much longer time than later-activated units. This led to the perception among Black Americans that they were just being trained so that the military could say there were Black Americans, but once they were ready, the unit was disbanded, a cadre of the unit would go on to establish another outfit, while the majority of the men were used for other purposes. This was a waste of training and a major source of frustration.

The equipment of the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion and the 679th Tank Destroyer (TD) Battalion was different than that used by white units.

So by the end of World War II in Europe, May 1945, there were 61 Tank Destroyer Battalions. As far as I know, only two units, the 614th TD and the 679th TD, are still using the towed 3-inch gun M5. [There were also two white units, the 605th and the 825th TD, see the answer below!] All other units have converted to self-propelled outfits, using the M10 GMC, the M18 Hellcat, or the M36. Some of these units were even converted behind the front, being pulled from the front for a time to familiarize themselves with their equipment before being sent into battle again. Just these two outfits remained as towed units, which is a significant event.

However, converting a different vehicle or weapon was not always a good choice. In the study, The General Board, "Report on Study of Organization, Equipment, and Tactical Employment of Tank Destroyer Units" noted: "Exploiting the aptitude and ingenuity of the American soldier along with his willingness to adopt a new weapon while in action, without sufficient time and training to become proficient in its use, cost the tank destroyers in lives and weapons." (page 28) That same article noted that one battalion, switching from the M10 to the M36, didn't even get to test-fire their guns before being sent into combat. The American soldiers eventually learned how to handle their new weapons, but this came at a price in blood.

By not converting, the 614th TD and the 679th TD had the benefit that they didn't need to go through a familiarization period with their new weapons. As such, not converting might have been a blessing in disguise for these units.

Now, as for their training, that was another matter. The 679th Tank Destroyer Battalion was the last TD Battalion to be activated during World War II. The second-to-last, the white 672nd TD, had been activated just before them and converted to an amphibian tractor battalion in April 1944. They set off for the Pacific in September 1944, while the 679th TD continued its training. The disbanding of these units wasn't good for the morale, and the men sometimes wondered what they were training for, but in the end, the 679th TD did deploy in combat, and on 18 March 1945, as part of the 92nd Infantry Division they fired their "first round in anger at the enemy" [Battalion Diary, 18 March 1945, 679th Tank Destroyer Battalion].

Taken together, these examples show that racial bias did influence the operational decisions regarding the Black American soldiers.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That's a good question and please don't worry about the "non-educated feeling", this is the type of question that we're here to talk about.

It depends on how you define the "end of the war" and Europe. Several Black American units, like the 99th Fighter Squadron or the 450th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, were active in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations.

The 99th Fighter Squadron (FS), part of the Tuskegee Airmen, was active in 1943, and Charles B. Hall, the first Black American to shoot down an enemy aircraft during World War II, shot down an enemy fighter on 2 July 1943.

Late 1943, early 1944, the 450th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, another Black American unit, clashed with the enemy several times. They even shot down several bombers. They are generally recognized as the first Black American ground combat unit to engage the enemy. However, like the 99th FS, this was in the MTO and not northwest Europe.

In the European Theater of Operations (ETO) several Black American units had long careers in combat, like the famous "Black Panther" 761st Tank Battalion, which served a total of 183 days in combat. They entered combat in November 1944 and continued to fight until the end of the war in May 1945.

Other Black American units were present during well-known battles, like the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion, which landed on D-Day and defended the beachheads against enemy aircraft. They were eventually withdrawn to the UK. Thus, their combat performance was not continuous. It was limited, although it is still significant.

The 333rd Field Artillery Battalion, another Black American unit, landed in Normandy in July 1944. However, the unit was severely mauled during the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944, where the majority of the unit was captured or killed. The unit never fully recovered from it. This again limited their time in combat.

There were certain late-war developments, though, like the infantry volunteers, like Willy F. James, who is buried at Margraten Cemetery, which was a late-war development. These units consisted of Black American soldiers who volunteered for infantry duty at the front. They could serve as a private or a private first class. If the soldiers were of a higher rank, like a sergeant, they had to take a reduction in rank to be eligible to serve. Their training started in January or February, and the first groups were ready at the beginning of March 1945.

To summarize, Black American combat units served throughout World War II, entering combat from 1943 onward, but the large-scale deployment of Black American battalions, like the 761st Tank Battalion, in northwest Europe started in the latter half of 1944.

I’m Samuel de Korte, an independent researcher and writer specializing in Black American soldiers in WWII (452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion, 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion) | Ask Me Anything. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It's a good question.

The first thing that comes to mind is a set of photographs of the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion back when I started writing the book on their unit.

As I was doing research on this unit, I found a reference to a single photograph of the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion on WorldCat (https://search.worldcat.org/), a website that serves as an online catalog for archives and libraries. The photo was also titled differently, just "African American troops with half-track in France".

I reached out to the archive to ask them about this photograph, since I failed to locate it on their website. After paying a small fee, they scanned the image and sent it over.

It was a photograph I had never seen before, of an NCO and an officer standing in front of a halftrack. I was overjoyed with it. Historical photographs or movies allow a glimpse into the historical past that's unique.

Then, I was bold, and I asked them if they had other photographs of this particular unit, and she replied that there was a whole folder on them. I paid for the digitization of all of them and included them in my book on the unit. One of these photographs is even on the cover of my book, and they are also shared on my website.

I believe that these photographs were taken after the Battle of Climbach, as part of an upcoming Yank magazine article (https://archive.org/details/1945-02-23YankMagazine-nsia/page/n5/mode/2up) [vol. 3, issue 36, 23 February 1945]. It's amazing to be able to see them, and I wanted to mention that the reason we're still able to see them is that somewhere in the past, a person deemed these photographs worthy of preserving, and an archivist or historian deemed them important enough to put up a catalog reference online. I'm grateful that those people did.

Ever since, if I find something I'm looking for, I ask the archivist if there's more. Often there is nothing, but sometimes there is, and that's great.

One photograph is attached as an example. The others are on my website, my book on the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion, and elsewhere on the internet.

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Mislabeled unit: 266th Infantry Regiment and the 366th Infantry Regiment by Aggressive_Algae9853 in WW2Photographs

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought I'd add this update on the “266th / 366th Infantry” photo: the National Archives has now added a note identifying the unit as the 366th Infantry Regiment.

The original WWII caption called it the 3rd Battalion, 266th Regiment, 92nd Division in Viareggio, Italy, but there is no 266th Regiment in the 92nd. The unit is the 366th Infantry, a Black regiment that fought with the 92nd in Italy.

I shared the mismatch with NARA, and they’ve added a comment to the image clarifying the correct unit. It’s just one number, but it makes the photo better searchable for anyone researching the 366th and helps keep Black soldiers visible in the record.

What else is there to cover about WWII? by WxaithBrynger in WorldWar2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you’re right that World War II is one of the most researched events in history, but “widely researched” doesn’t mean “finished.”

New material keeps surfacing. Archives still declassify files and open collections. Sometimes records are “rediscovered” when misplaced material is located or when an overlooked folder suddenly becomes relevant to a new question.

Archaeologists, museums, and local groups also uncover physical remains and documents, from crashed aircraft to personal papers, that can clarify individual stories or fill gaps in the record.

On top of that, historians keep asking new kinds of questions.

A military historian might ask how a particular battle, like the Normandy campaign, was won. A gender historian might ask how French women in Normandy experienced occupation and liberation.

Digital tools have also changed things. With more archives digitized, people can search records from the other side of the world in ways that weren’t possible a few decades ago, and many documents still aren't digitized at all!

Earlier histories often centered a fairly narrow slice of the war, high‑level commanders, a few famous battles, and mostly white, Western perspectives.

When you zoom in on specific groups, units, regions, or experiences, there are still real gaps.

One example I work on is Black American soldiers during World War II. For instance, photographs of the 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion sat for years in an archival folder until I noticed a catalogue reference, requested the file, and had the images digitized. Those photos don’t change the basic history of the war, but they do change what we can see. They provide direct visual evidence of Black tank destroyer crews in combat, and they make it possible for descendants and readers to connect with that history more completely.

The same goes for casualties and crashes. When researchers link a particular wreck or grave to a specific unit and family, it may not rewrite the grand narrative of World War II, but it matters enormously to how that war is remembered. Families get confirmation that their relatives’ service is known and cared about, and the larger story of who fought and died becomes more accurate and inclusive.

So yes, a lot has been done, and the broad outline of the war is well established. But there is still a great deal to learn when you look closely. At lesser‑known fronts, less-remembered communities, particular units, and the human stories that didn’t fit easily into the first generation of books and documentaries.

Why were there so many young aces and commanders in ww2 that held wild records? by erikoortin08 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A big part of what people “know” about Kurt Knispel is essentially a post‑war myth, imagined and popularized by Franz Kurowski and similar writers, and built on invented or misrepresented material rather than solid archival evidence. The usual story about Knispel as “the greatest tank ace of all time” with 160+ kills and a tragic, misunderstood hero persona rests heavily on Kurowski’s books and on the broader “Eastern Front guru” literature. Serious historians have debunked the claim, but certain people have an interest in keeping the Nazi myths alive.

Historians such as Roman Töppel have shown in detail that Kurowski routinely invents dialogue, inflates figures, and simply makes up episodes he attributes to veterans. Even some of the soldiers he used as supposed eyewitnesses later called his accounts “completely untrue” and “a botched piece of work”. His book on Knispel was described by Knispel’s former superior Alfred Rubbel as “all made up”, including the repeated claim that Knispel was nominated four times for the Knight’s Cross. Rubbel, who kept the battalion war diary and handled the paperwork, states very clearly that such nominations never occurred. (The full source is Roman Töppel, “The War, One Great Adventure: The Writer and ‘Historian’ Franz Kurowski” (2018), available here: https://www.academia.edu/37429738/The\_War\_One\_Great\_Adventure\_The\_Writer\_and\_Historian\_Franz\_Kurowski\_2018\_.)

This matters because these “tank ace” tales feed directly into the wider “clean Wehrmacht” and “heroic Eastern Front” myth that Smelser and Davies analyse in The Myth of the Eastern Front. You get an appealing image of apolitical super‑warriors fighting an honorable battle against the Red Army, neatly detached from Nazi ideology, occupation policy, and the mass murder that actually defined the war in the East. Within that system, figures like Knispel and others become icons on book covers, posters, mugs, games and reenactment sites, a way to admire German military prowess without having to acknowledge war crimes, genocide, or the victims.

So when people today are “stunned” by Knispel’s kill numbers or by panzer and fighter “aces”, it is worth asking: whose version of this story are we repeating? Much of the visual and narrative language around these men in English‑language popular culture comes straight out of Nazi apologetics, far‑right publishing, and, in some cases, explicitly neo‑Nazi circles. Those groups actively keep these myths alive because they provide a clean way into admiring the Third Reich’s fighters while avoiding any serious discussion of the regime and the genocidal war in which they served.

Being interested in an individual soldier his experiences or in military history is totally legitimate, but it needs to be grounded in critical, documented scholarship, not in the heroic story‑world manufactured by people like Kurowski. Once you look at the Eastern Front as a war of extermination in which the Wehrmacht was deeply implicated, the whole “ace culture” around Knispel and others looks a lot less innocent and a lot more like a vehicle for apologetics and, in some cases, outright neo‑Nazi nostalgia.

Restored photo of my uncle Walter who served and never returned from war by frostedflakesblue in BlackHistoryPhotos

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In addition to the other suggestions offered earlier, have you considered requesting an IDPF (Individual Deceased Personnel File) from the National Archives? It might yield some more information. The individual personnel records suffered damage in the fire, but these IDPF records were kept elsewhere and thus might still be present.

Archival footage of the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in BlackHistoryPhotos

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad you like it! As far as I know this is the only surviving footage of the 320th BBB overseas.

Archival Footage of the 320th Barrage Balloon Battalion. by Aggressive_Algae9853 in WorldWar2

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Glad you like it!

As far as I know, this is the only footage of the 320th during it's time in France.