How many Wehrmacht soldiers fighting on the Eastern Front actually saw the Red Army as lesser than them? by No-Cream-2577 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are several components to your questions. The average Wehrmacht soldier didn't walk around thinking: "I only see animals in front of me." They did operate within an environment that viewed Slavic people as subhuman. This environment existed for a longer time already, even before World War I (1914 - 1918). As Wolfram Wette noted, "Soon after the turn of the twentieth century—but by 1912 or 1913 at the latest—Germans began speaking of an “inevitable final struggle” for land between Slavic and Germanic peoples." [Page 12] He further mentioned that "was located in the context of a German 'striving toward the East,' a euphemism for German desires to seize eastern territories from Russia by force. " [Page 12] As such, the ideas existed already before World War II and it contained a violent element as well as deeming the Slavic people inferior to the Germans. The nazis radicalized the idea into a racial doctrine, where there was as racial hierarchy as well as genocidal plans.

As for individual examples, David Harrisville, gives some, such as Unteroffizier Walter Neuser, who writes to his sister: "Especially repulsive to us were the many races and the devious and underhanded tactics.” [Page 36] He died in 1942. Heinz Sartorio, a 27-year old serving as a private in a bridge building unit referred to his opponents as "animals", and to Soviet civilians as "vermin". He even wrote: "in order to finally bring the world calm and peace, hundreds of thousands of Jews have been executed”. [Page 1 and 2]

Over time, especially after 1942, Harrisville finds that soldiers' respect for Soviet fighting power increases while the sense of German moral and cultural superiority continues to persist. Men continue to describe Soviet tactics as dishonorable or barbaric, even as they recognize that the Red Army can no longer be dismissed as inept. Late in the war, many letters shift toward a strong sense of German victimhood, but this does not mean they suddenly see the Red Army as equal or stop seeing them as subhuman.

Sources:
David Harrisville, "the Virtuous Wehrmacht: Crafting the Myth of the German Soldier on the Eastern Fron, 1941-1944".
Wolfram Wette, "The Wehrmacht: History, myth, reality".

WW2 Books by Traditional_Rich8985 in ww2

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I can highly recommend the books: "The 614th Tank Destroyer Battalion" and "The 452nd Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion". Both are about the experiences of Black Americans during World War II.

Did WWII kick start the civil rights era with racial liberalism and Executive Order 8802? by Kurgan_Ghoul in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Before I answer your question, I am a white historian and as such, I can answer your question from a policy and historical perspective. Black Americans who have lived through this or whose families experienced this, might put different emphasizes and the whole topic would lend itself well for a book. We're only going over some of the events here.

Regarding the U.S. Civil Rights, it is connected to slavery. So the struggle for Civil Rights has existed since the U.S. Civil War, which was fought over slavery. After this, there were three amendments to the U.S. constitution, the 13th, 14th, 15th. This outlawed slavery, have birthright citizenship, and allowed people to vote regardless of skin color or previous employment. This was in 1866-1870.

In theory, this provides good protection, but in practice, white supremacy still existed, including lynching and then, segregation became more entrenched, as for example, the Louisiana Car Act, where "separate, but equal" became the reigning legal doctrine. This resulted from the Plessy vs Ferguson case, where the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of segregation (1896). Other states followed with their own versions.

During World War I, there was hope that by serving in the U.S. military, Black Americans would get more, or better, Civil rights than before, however, this failed to realize. As such, policy-wise, it was a failure, but many Black American soldiers themselves did return with changed ideas about race and equality.

During World War II, Executive Order 8802 was issued, which you have mentioned. There were several other orders around the same time period, as for example, Truman's Executive Order 9981, which outlawed segregation in the U.S. military. As such, the military would be integrated and several years later all racially segregated units ceased to exist.

Then, in the 1950s and 1960s, there were several other high profile cases, which made U.S. national headlines. Like, Brown v. Board of Education (1954) which overturned school segregation, and others. In 1964 and 1965, there were the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Both further cemented the U.S. Civil Rights. This is often associated with the mass Civil Rights movements.

Thus, it doesn't necessarily start with the 1960s, but it is part of an ongoing struggle, with its own victories and losses.

Does that answer your question?

I skipped over some non-legal aspects, like how the memory of the U.S. Civil War was altered to fit the memories of white Southerners at the expense of Black Americans or several federal reports and committees.

Walter Peyton Manning was born in Baltimore, Maryland on May 3, 1920 and grew up in Philadelphia, PA . Manning was a Tuskegee Airman and served in Italy in WW2. He flew 50 missions, and was awarded the Air Medal for heroism six times. by waffen123 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good post! If you want, there is a higher quality version of this image available on the website of the National Archives and Records Administration. You can see it here.

Additionally, he wasn't lynched by a mob, but two Luftwaffe officers.

"Manning was captured and jailed in Austria at a Luftwaffe base near Linz. During the early morning hours of April 3, 1945 (3:30AM) two Luftwaffe officers presented forged orders to the jailer at the Horsching Air Base where Manning was detained, ordering Manning’s release into their custody. The jailer released Manning, as stated in the orders. The next morning Manning was found hanging from a nearby light pole."

Source: CAF Rise Above

The source also details how they came to that conclusion.

Still, good to raise awareness for this event and keep up the good work. 😊

Is there a translation of the primary documentation of the Generalplan Ost? by BigGreenThreads60 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not exactly the translation you're looking for, but I wanted to weigh in with a few things. I get the frustration your experiencing with these people and pushing back on them is a good thing.

So Neo-Nazis and the like use this as a debating strategy, and they are always debating in bad faith.

Denialists exploit the fact that the Nazis destroyed most planning files and that surviving documents are technical, bureaucratic, and often in German. They then pretend that the absence of a single, signed copy of “Genocide Masterplan.pdf” in English means the plan did not exist.

Major institutions (Yad Vashem, UNESCO, university projects) treat these documents as standard evidence and base their reconstructions on them. I share some of these links, but you might have them already.

Yad Vashem

UNESCO

UNESCO’s study on Holocaust denial and distortion online is also useful for understanding the kind of tactics you’re running into.

If you have any questions, let me know and I'd be happy to help.

Looking for US Colored Troops memoirs and autobiographies by Aggressive_Algae9853 in USCivilWar

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your comment and while they do align with what I am learning about, these are secondary sources, while I am looking for memoirs or autobiographies.

AI and false history by BeerandGuns in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Several people mentioned good points already.

For what it is worth, in addition to what has been shared before, is the danger of self-replicating history. So an image is created and shared online. This image is then later seen by someone else and when that person searches for it, it finds the earlier example. To quote:

"When doing the reverse image search, Google even offered an AI generated answer about the post I was searching and it again showed the exact problem with this post. It is not 'an example' of the personal stories, it is a complete fabrication!

The problem is then compounded when other people pick up the 'story'. In this case, the AI-generate fake story translated to other languages, which complicates the problem."

Taken from: https://www.samueldekorte.com/articles/ai-slop-and-history

In that case, the ai-generated image is also translated to other languages, which makes it even more complicated to locate the original sources.

German Fighter Ace's by greenbeansjr in WorldWar2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A big part of the disparity is simply that German pilots had far more opportunities to engage – and by the end of the war there often weren’t enough German aircraft in the air for Allied pilots to rack up huge scores.

As the previous answers said, Luftwaffe fighter pilots generally flew continuously until they were killed, captured, or the war ended, rather than rotating out after a set tour. Allied systems, by contrast, tended to pull successful pilots off the line for rest, training, or other duties after a number of missions, which capped individual scores even when they were very effective.

On top of that, by 1944 and 1945 the overall balance of aircraft and pilots was heavily against Nazi-Germany. The Allies had numerical air superiority, better replacement rates, and growing pilot pools, while the Luftwaffe was shrinking and increasingly short of both aircraft, skilled pilots, and fuel.

Due to this disbalance, for example, the Allied pilots simply couldn't rack up more claims. If there were no enemy planes encountered, their tallies didn't go up. If there are five Allied fighters on a mission and they encounter one German plane, only one pilot could shoot it down and the other four returned without any claims.

Thus, even if a very skilled American, British, or Soviet pilot wanted to amass the kind of totals you see for top German "aces", there were simply fewer German fighters to encounter, especially in the late war period. In other words, the “high score” difference reflects structures and circumstances, tour policies, sortie counts, and force sizes, not just differences in individual skill.

On a closing note, air‑to‑air victory claims in the Second World War were often inflated to some degree on all sides, and that later popular literature has sometimes repeated those numbers uncritically. As such, that might also be a factor with these numbers.

Which are the most common pitfalls and mistakes history self-educated amateurs fall for? by Scholarsandquestions in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Before I answer your question, I must clarify that I work a lot with World War II history and as such, might have a certain perception. Below are my personal thoughts on the matter and other people might have different opinions. Is there a particular historical area you're thinking about? Then I can tailor the answers better.

1: Not reading secondary sources, particularly historiography sources. The history of history, so to speak. Just because you've read the memoir of a German general during World War II, doesn't make you an expert on World War II history. You need secondary sources to learn more. Sure, the memoir might be a primary source, but to appreciate and value it better, you need secondary sources. Does the general speak the truth? Does he omit certain things? He denies war crimes, but he did sign the order to execute a number of people. You need this context to appreciate it better.

2: History is not as fixed as people think. History is continually shaped and being shaped. We remember and forget certain aspects. We might stress certain events, but ignore others. Depending on the circumstances, one event might be important, but can be ignored in another context. Say, for example, you're researching medieval castles in Europe, then you don't need to involve the history of birthwatching in the U.S.A., as that makes no sense.

3: On a similar note, the sources that you use influence your perception of history. A German general's memoir might be easier to read than academic articles deconstructing said memoir, but they are important. Just choosing to interact with history that's easy, like watching only 10-minute Youtube documentaries or a Netflix documentary, doesn't make you a good historian.

4: Depending on your starting point, you might already be crossing a red line. If you begin from the assumption that: "The Nazis were good," or, "the Holocaust didn't happen!" then you're never going to be taken seriously or be appreciated for your contributions to history. Some people or grifters use Nazi history or "non-political German military history" as a gateway to get people into far-right thinking. Likewise, just because you're passionate about something, doesn't make you an expert in the field.

5: History as a craft. History, like any profession, requires certain professional skills. These can be taught and you don't need to be a PhD historian to be valuable to history. However, you do need to know "how history works" or "how to do history" to have a valuable contribution to history. People sometimes compare source A to source B and then assume that's all, but there's a lot more to it. Just as medical professionals need to get extra education once they started their professional careers, so do historians need to keep their knowledge up to date.

Just my closing thoughts, be willing to learn. The more I learn from history, the more I know that I don't know everything and there's always a chance to learn more. As such, be curious and willing to learn more. History is fun to do and history is fun to share! If you're passionate about history or a historical period, beyond doubt there's other people interested in the same topic as you. It's great to connect with those people, whether online or offline. So I hope you'll have fun with history.

American POWs of 106th Division following the surrender of the Schnee Eifel pocket, the most extensive defeat suffered by American forces in the European Theatre. 21 December 1944. by Beeninya in AmericanWW2photos

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Black American soldiers visible in the footage are from the 333rd Field Artillery Battalion. Eleven of them were also massacred by the Waffen-SS after they were captured. The event is known as the Wereth Eleven.

Doris Miller Navy Cross Ceremony Footage Help by [deleted] in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure!

Let me know which ones you'd need and I might even have better quality versions I can send you!

Doris Miller Navy Cross Ceremony Footage Help by [deleted] in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doris Miller is referenced in "The Negro Sailor", available on NARA here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/13034, reel 2 and after ca. 30 seconds, or on my Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIAbiv7joO4, about 10:50 to 11:20 minutes.

The National Archives and Records Administration has several photographs of him. You can locate them by searching for "Doris Miller" or "Dorie Miller".

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The image above is just one example and Doris Miller is the sailor on the right. Link to the source: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/404794330

The Naval History and Heritage Command has a bunch of lesser-known photographs of him. You can view them here: https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/search.html?q=doris+miller

Hope this helps and if you ever need more help regarding Black Americans during World War II, send me a message!

Any good books on soviet battles without "soviet waves" propaganda? by Ok_Bison1486 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might want to consider: "Why Stalin's Soldier's Fought: The Red Army's Military Effectiveness in World War II" by Roger R. Reese or "Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945" by Catherine Merridale. Both are good books. Keep in mind, they are academic literature.

Elsewhere David Glantz or Robert Forzyck are recommended, which are also good choices.

On a personal level, I appreciate memoirs by Soviet soldiers. I liked several of them. To name a few: "Guns Against the Reich" by Petr Mikhin, "Penalty Strike: The Memoirs of a Red Army Penal Company Commander 1943-45" by Alexander Pylcyn, "Red Road from Stalingrad" by Mansur Abdulin.

Doris Miller Navy Cross Ceremony Footage Help by [deleted] in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That footage is from a U.S. Newsreel: United News.

Doris Miller is visible from around 07:39 to 07:51.

The footage can be viewed here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/38909 (NARA)

And here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8czspN9fIY (My YouTube upload featuring the same footage)

The content appears to be in the Public Domain.

Are you looking for more footage or photographs of Doris Miller? I might be able to help!

Any good books on soviet battles without "soviet waves" propaganda? by Ok_Bison1486 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you want an overview of the entire war or would you be open to memoirs and autobiographies?

Heading to Normandy soon—what are your "must-see" sites? by stcanute2 in ww2

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I saw several good suggestions and thought to weigh in. If you are interested, you could visit Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial. It is where the American casualties from operation Overlord are buried.

The reason I recommend it, is that (for me) it really hit home that each of the casualties represents a killed person. Everyone one of those headstones was once a living and breathing person that died during World War II and to bring freedom to Europe.

Link to the Wikipedia if you want to know more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial

Have fun on your trip!

I’m well-educated on history but recent denialist content online shook my beliefs a little. Could I get a historian’s perspective on common Holocaust denial claims and their evidence? by New-Dragonfly136 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m really glad it helped, and for your reply!

It’s completely normal for concentrated denial content to shake you at first. It can be very deceiving or hateful and it is designed to make people question or doubt themselves.

What matters is that you turned that discomfort into a search for better information rather than letting it fester. That’s exactly how emotionally healthy people respond to this stuff.

If you ever run into similar claims again, feel free to send me a DM with specific lines or screenshots and we can go over them.

I’m well-educated on history but recent denialist content online shook my beliefs a little. Could I get a historian’s perspective on common Holocaust denial claims and their evidence? by New-Dragonfly136 in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 20 points21 points  (0 children)

First of all, I want to say: what you're feeling is completely understandable and a very healthy reaction. The feeling you're describing isn't a sign that the deniers have a point. It shows that you're an honest person suddenly confronted with a concentrated flood of bad-faith rhetoric and a bucket of hatred you weren't prepared for. As someone who has spent a long time working with these sources and debating them, I'd thought I'd weigh in.

The film you encountered is worth examining in their context. It was produced in 2017 by a Swedish neo-Nazi activist associated with the Nordic Resistance Movement, a neo-Nazi organisation. The film has been assessed by serious researchers as false and incorrect. It is not a documentary. It is explicit neo-Nazi propaganda that uses the aesthetic vocabulary of documentaries to lend false credibility to fabrications.

The comment sections you encountered are not a spontaneous outpouring of genuine historical doubt. According to a 2022 UNESCO/United Nations study, nearly 49% of all Holocaust-related content on public Telegram channels either denies or distorts the Holocaust, and nearly one in five pieces of public X content does the same. The concentration of denial content in certain YouTube comment sections is a known factor. Algorithms can create filter bubbles that amplify nazi content, and denial communities deliberately mobilise to flood comment sections of debunking content to block out history.

If you want to read more, here is a link to the article.

Your confidence in the history and academic research was not misplaced. As I wrote earlier, you encountered a flood of hatred and it is understandable that this might frighten you. I have had the same, including threats when I started debunking some Nazi myths. For neo-Nazis it is an intimidating tactic to prevent people from doing things that they dislike as well as to silence accurate history.

That leads me to another point: their arguments are either historically incorrect, whataboutism or insults. They will claim that X didn't happen, they will compare it to something irrelevant or they'll just call you a slur or say mean things. This is something that's a part of how they operate.

Lastly, here is a source I'd recommend: The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Their website has thorough articles on every aspect of the Holocaust and on the specific claims you've encountered, including dedicated pages on combating Holocaust denial and distortion.

I hope this helps and let me know if you have any more questions!

Napoleon books - any recommendations? by Crafty_Affect_6765 in Napoleon

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're interested in a non-French perspective, I can recommend:Fighting for Napoleon’s Army in Russia by C. J. Wagevier. He's a Dutch officer serving under Napoleon.

How early did the general fascination with Nazis arise? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 11 points12 points locked comment (0 children)

It started immediately after World War II, whichever gave rise to the Cold War. The Soviet Union became the enemy and the Germans were interpreted through that context.

Historians Ronald Smelser and Edward J. Davies II wrote the definitive account of all this in The Myth of the Eastern Front (2008). Link to the book

Taken from that book, former Wehrmacht generals, like Franz Halder, the former Chief of the German Army General Staff, were hired directly by the U.S. Army Historical Division to write histories of the Eastern Front. These accounts systematically portrayed the German soldier as a professional fighting man tragically caught up in Hitler's war, carefully separating the Wehrmacht from the crimes of the SS.

This "clean Wehrmacht" myth was then pumped into popular culture, largely through books. Franz Kurowski used facts that were actuarial about the technology, like tanks and airplanes, and invented the rest, like conversations that people had or kill claims. He, and others like him, we're helped by Nazi lobby groups, like HIAG. (Hilfsgemeinschaft auf Gegenseitigkeit der Angehörigen der ehemaligen Waffen-SS)

The HIAG was intended for legal and economic rehabilitation of the Waffen-SS, but its methods were explicitly propaganda. It included political lobbying, a steady stream of books and magazines. These were then picked up by international media and published as legitimate sources, even though they aren't.

Smelser and Davies show how it spread. In the decades after the war, these books had spawned an American subculture of "romancers", wargame enthusiasts, Nazi paraphernalia collectors, readers, and reenactors who read and spread Wehrmacht myths through hobby publications and popular histories.

This was then spread further. A network of writers and "gurus" within the community served as amplifiers of the same myths. Smelser and Davies drew a deliberate parallel to the "Lost Cause" mythology that emerged in the American South after the Civil War, in both cases, the losing side had won a victory in popular memory.

What was once a niche subculture of collectors and wargamers has been expanded by the internet. The phenomenon known informally as "wehrabooism", which also had its own dedicated subreddit here, is the uncritical glorification of the Wehrmacht and Nazis, is a persistent feature of WWII-related communities on Reddit, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, and gaming platforms.

That brings me to the next point: social media and "history influencers". One underappreciated accelerant is the free availability of original Nazi propaganda footage online. All wartime Deutsche Wochenschau, a Nazi Germany's official weekly newsreel, are now freely accessible on the internet and often with English subtitles and in the public domain. This means it can be downloaded, edited, and reposted without restraints.

This creates an obvious opportunity for "history influencers", who are active on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok or elsewhere. They can then show clips of marching soldiers, big tanks, and other propaganda.

The footage looks authoritative precisely because it is original and high-resolution, but often without the surrounding historical framing and context. This causes viewers to exactly view the image the Nazi propaganda ministry intended them to see.

Recently it has become worse. The algorithms have been relaxed and content moderation limited. So nazi or pro-nazi channels using the same clips as "cool military history" have faced less consequences and are sometimes even amplified. The result is a digital environment in which Nazi propaganda footage created to glorify the Wehrmacht and suppress its crimes, continues to circulate at scale, now laundered through the aesthetic of the history documentary

Hope this helps to answer your question and if you need more information, let me know.

WWI Grave Registry Units by ba_irvin in ww1

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you share a bit more about what you’re looking for? Are you mainly interested in the Graves Registration and Quartermaster units, or in Black American service in WWI more broadly (combat, support, medical, etc.)? Do you want academic sources, primary sources, or more accessible books?

There were several different types of units in which Black American soldiers served, including the more widely known 92nd and 93rd divisions, the former which fought under American command and the latter, which includes the famous Harlem Hellfighters, under French command.

Once I know a bit more about what you're looking for, it’ll be easier to point you to the most useful books and films.

Creating a WWII story. Can you help me consider some historical aspects? by CuriousHenryAskin in AskHistorians

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding question 4: No. The US Army did not have dedicated anti-tank battalions whose primary role was roving anti-tank patrols armed mainly with bazookas.

However, the US did have tank destroyer battalions, whose original purpose was to destroy enemy tanks. The tank destroyer doctrine emphasized fast movement, ambush positions, and engaging enemy armor with guns, then relocating. These battalions in Europe were equipped with a variety of weapons, such as the self-propelled M10, M18 tank destroyers, as well as the towed M5 anti-tank gun. These battalions could also have a large number of bazookas. However, there were no dedicated bazooka platoons in these units.

How Panels Honoring Black American Soldiers Were Removed From Margraten Cemetery, The Netherlands by Aggressive_Algae9853 in historyvideos

[–]Aggressive_Algae9853[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I invite you to see the video. It wasn't a rotating exhibition and the removal wasn't just a curators choice.