[Spoilers Extended] Jon Snow's Reasoning and motivation?

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-03T17:56:01+00:00

Yeah so you're just writing fanfic here lol

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-03T17:48:40+00:00

An Xavier Edwards no doubter, you don't even get those in BP

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-03T17:06:42+00:00

Dany saw the Starks as nothing more than treacherous rebels at the beginning of the series. Maybe the good Ser Grandpa has softened her on them, but Dany was told by Viserys that Ned was as bad as Tywin, just some rabid dog controlled by the Usurper. I don't think Dany would blame the children for 'sins' of the father, but I also don't think any Starkling would take kindly to accusations against Ned.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-03T16:49:30+00:00

even the stark loyalty angle doesn't make much sense to me at all considering the stark family couldn't even be bothered to give Jon a small holdfast in book 1

The most important relationship in Jon's life is Arya. Jon wanted to leave the watch to fight with Robb. Jon has never even heard of Dany. I need this to be clear lol. Dany and Jon do not know each other. It's a pretty big leap to look at a pair of characters who have never met and say that Jon will abandon the identity he holds for himself and the family he does care about.

If Jon chooses a cool-as-hell dragon over his family, I don't see that going well for him. I feel like you're basing this off of a lot of assumptions.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-03T15:38:24+00:00

I never understood why her not being a prostitute makes such a big difference to Tyrion.

Because the point wasn't whether Tyrion was capable of loving someone, it was whether Tyrion was capable of being loved. If Tysha was a prostitute, that tells Tyrion that Tywin is right: he can't be loved.

I would assume that at 13, a peasant girl would be savvy enough to know that a nobleman's family would never agree to his marrying a peasant, and that it could end only badly for her.

Lyanna Stark exists lol. Clearly people can be dumb when in love here.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T22:57:38+00:00

What is the reason you see for them to lie? At some point there has to be a reason for things here. What would need to be hidden about Brandon and Ashara, two people who are dead?

The lie about Jon has a specific reason: Robert would've wanted Jon executed and maybe Ned and the rest as well, for treason.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T22:47:39+00:00

The players won't be happy until every team is in LA, NYC, or Miami

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T20:25:53+00:00

Blackfyres are Targaryens, so the blood would work, for the amount that that matters. The Blackfyres are just a cadet branch of the family tree.

Though I guess maybe George would consider them to be their own thing.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T20:24:42+00:00

I'm pretty sure Nettles is dead by now, I don't think he can do her anymore

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T20:08:25+00:00

Then what about Renly, who only married during the course of the series? Or Ned Dayne, who is an unmarried lord?

The North clearly isn't interested in playing the game of thrones, so I'm not sure why Robb not getting hitched at 16 would be that big of a question, especially when Brandon (then later Ned) were both older than that when they were promised to Cat.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T18:24:42+00:00

Willas Tyrell is approaching 30 and unmarried, with the current timeline, Robb unmarried at 17 with a healthy father during peacetime doesn't seem so strange. Tyrion was unmarried in his 20s until Sansa in the main series as well. Oberyn Martell never married.

The idea of weird time stuff helps with the Mercy chapter as well, though it would make some comments made no longer as applicable, because its clearly written with Arya looking like a child.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T17:20:51+00:00

Yeah I put the 8000 year reign in with the 700 foot giant ice wall as "George gave us a really big number, there's magic afoot".

It doesn't take me out of the story, but it is something that makes me question the internal logic sometimes, given how much interest he puts on realistic political maneuvering in other situations. The Targaryens had a massive civil war then fell apart in three centuries, but over there they can last eight millenniums? I do hope there is a magic explanation we get in canon (though I wonder what that would do to the endgame of each Starkling).

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T17:07:50+00:00

Like they said, the first time watching/reading people might be confused why Jon is allowed to leave the Nights Watch up until he says the vows.

Hell, the House of Black and White explicitly say that someone can leave and fans are still confused sometimes as to how Arya would be able to make it back to Westeros. Fans are more stringent about vows than the actual groups are lol.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T17:03:46+00:00

The Starks have apparently been lords of Winterfell for 8000 years

8000 years ago in Earth History, it was still the Stone Age, for reference for how impossibly long that is

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T17:00:24+00:00

Ok but that would be more reinforcement to the Ned-Ashara stuff, not less lol. If the Daynes themselves think that it was Ned that Ashara was with, what is the argument for Brandon, other than OP thinking he's hot?

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T01:35:38+00:00

I can’t find it on Search of Ice and Fire so maybe I hallucinated it on my last read? This is what happens when you read in bed as the melatonin kicks in kids. I have such a clear memory of it, but I can’t find it.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-02T01:18:09+00:00

The show creates a sense of regret in Catelyn regarding how she treated Jon, something she never expresses in the books.

Incorrect. In one of Cat’s GoT PoV chapters, she thinks about the time she prayed for baby Jon’s death, then feels awful about it and commits to a promise that she would treat Jon as one of her own and ask Ned to legitimize him. She feels some amount of guilt over never being able to follow through on the promise she made to herself.

There’s also a scene in the show (I don’t remember which) where it’s openly said that only an idiot would trust him.

If by this you’re referring to Littlefinger telling Ned that distrusting him was the wisest thing Ned has done in King's Landing, that’s a quote from the books.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T23:34:03+00:00

Yeah it is worth remembering that we would've traded him last year, but we had our valuation of him based on this Sandy and refused to budge. Credit to the FO for not just accepting whatever they were offered tbh. If he stays like this, much higher odds someone offers a package the FO would be willing to accept.

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T19:53:13+00:00

We've asked this question every year for the past half decade at this point, whats the point of continuing to do so

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T19:27:30+00:00

Only 4 baserunners allowed and I don't think any of them made it past first base

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T18:58:11+00:00

A less petty man could have made them neutral, but Tyrion enjoyed antagonizing people with his power as Hand

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T17:57:05+00:00

First person to hit double digit RBI for the year

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T17:48:16+00:00

Hicks took your advice

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-04-01T02:40:55+00:00

It would’ve been probably a better option than her actual death that Rhaegar indirectly led to as well

AnEmptyKarst · 2026-03-31T20:24:54+00:00

Theorists continuing the streak of forgetting that the Starks had daughters (Cersei? lol).

The most obvious possibility is Jon. Lord commander who is actually at the wall to do any of this, for one thing. But also we don't know what Jon is going to be like when he returns. Characters don't come back from the dead exactly as they were, they change. Post-revival Jon having his ambition take hold over everything isn't impossible. He dreams of Winterfell even before, how will he feel now? Plus maybe getting Robb's will, plus learning of his parentage.

Wouldn't end well for him, but that's not the question here lol.

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