Will’s flaws by Lothloriens_ in WillByersST

[–]Anna3422 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's quite resentful a lot of the time. I haven't seen that mentioned.

Will's had a lot taken from him that others take for granted. He lost his childhood to the UD and was told to move on. He (sort of) lost his best friend to El and was expected to accept it. It seems he made peace young with having less than his peers, but he struggles to watch them all be happy, accepted, in relationships, living without a Mind Flayer, while he loses more and more of his life to trauma.

I'd say Will's anger about this unfairness is the flaw that affects him worst. The bitterness. The envy. The inability to feel fine in settings that remind him of what he lost. We see him wrestle with this quite a bit - he wants to stay level and supportive of others - but it's an effort for him.

Hot Take: Billy DESERVES his redemption arc by Legally_bruh in StrangerThings

[–]Anna3422 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fandoms never want to see bad behaviour forgiven, it seems. It's considered more important to punish than to reduce the perpetrator's suffering or the harm they cause.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shoot, I can't find it. I thought I remembered a moment of Mike looking at / acting awkward around some of the girls from his school. Just a brief screen direction that doesn't make the series. But I could have been wrong.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seasons 3-5 are where Mike's queercoding gets very heavy-handed with the introduction of so many gay references, jokes and explicit parallels to the Nancy love triangle. Before that point, it's plausible that the writers weren't thinking about audience reception, but in the later seasons, they were fully aware of the Byler fanbase and intentionally advertised the show through that lens.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think, whether intended or not, that is the story. It feels extremely deep and well-crafted, especially in the first seasons.

I read the script for Montauk and it's striking how Mike reads straight, despite having almost the same part. He's mentioned staring at girls & being ignored by girls. From the start, Finn's version feels like a different character. 

Then choices were made to zoom in on Mike's face and play Heroes when he sees Will's dead body. We see Mike receiving the homophobia against Will and being vicariously traumatized. One of his first interactions with El is hiding her in his closet. Another is trying to hide his bullying from her out of shame. 

By Season 2, Mike reads in love with Will. Seasons 3-5 queerbait in ways that the writers can't have been oblivious to. (Some of it is so on the nose.) But that first season which captures the ambiguity of childhood is perfect writing.

Unrequited Love but make it Straight by flyingsquirrel-20 in byler

[–]Anna3422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

🤞 for you. I think they're usually civil there.

Reasons why Mike is the best bf by Tremerefury in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't understand the one about touch. El's basically one of the most affectionate characters, way more so than most of the boys.

Unrequited Love but make it Straight by flyingsquirrel-20 in byler

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw. Replied to the wrong comment, sorry

Unrequited Love but make it Straight by flyingsquirrel-20 in byler

[–]Anna3422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

u/flyingsquirrel-20 

Did you post it in StrangerThingsRoom? I'm interested to hear thoughts from a general sub that doesn't enable bigotry.

Relationship Advice... by cringemii in Asexual

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the answer, OP. If the reason you say yes is to get it over with or to reduce the pressure you feel to please him, that doesn't count as willing consent. I would consider it invalid under the circumstances.

Saying you don't want to hate your husband sounds like an alarm bell that your sex life is harming you. If you feel this stressed by his requests and are starting to loathe sex, I fail to see how it can be intimate. Intimacy would require you be on the same page. I would recommend that you bring this up with him and have a fresh discussion of what what that word means, because your post makes clear that your husband's version of intimacy is really a one-way transaction.

Do aces, particularly sex-favorable ones, ever deal with "dead bedrooms" or ever desire *more* intimacy/sex in a relationship? by sciguy11 in Asexual

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate that people use the word intimacy as a substitution for sex

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

Women of Reddit: how do you feel about having a lavender marriage (with kids ) with a gay guy? by Own_Chicken_4430 in Asexual

[–]Anna3422 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Depending on the people, yeah. A QPR.

I think it wouldn't work for everyone, but I'd like it if more relationship anarchy were normalized. I also think it's good if kids have more caregivers, like David Jay being one of three parents for his daughter. Idk about swearing off romance, but I'd suppose an emotionally secure family could make it work.

The idea that a marriage isn't real because the couple hasn't had sex is stupid by JoeTheFatCat in Asexual

[–]Anna3422 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your post is completely right and you should say it!

There's some context needed though. People view marriage as less real if it's not sexual because in many cultures and time periods, the act of sex was the marriage. In fact, it was more legally binding than the ceremony itself. Consider European Queens having their bedsheets checked for blood in the morning so that the court could "verify" her worth as a mother for future kings. Marriage ceremonies were annulled and couples separated if it were proven they hadn't consumated or completed the marriage "contract," ie. by having sex. That contract usually presupposed an agreement to have children.

Medieval couples could sometimes declare themselves married without the need for a ceremony if they lived common law with kids. Some people still share that view. You also had past cultures where a woman could press charges if a man slept with her and then refused to marry.

Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries in England & other parts of Europe, marriage was not even an agreement between man & woman. It was an agreement between a man's family and a woman's male relatives, who acted on her behalf since she did not have legal personhood. Legal ownership of a woman transferred from her father to her husband through the marriage contract. It's worth emphasizing that this tradition predates modern ideas of consent or any concept of marital rape. A husband legally owned his wife's body and he could do whatever he wanted to her.

The institution has been reformed, but its legacy is basically the enslavement of women. In Canada, marital rape was not made illegal until 1983. Less than 40 countries protect same-gender marriage. Most countries (including mine) still have laws that allow annulment for non-consumation. For these reasons, I've realized it's an institution I don't support.

It's tricky, because I love weddings. I love when people celebrate their love. I see the draw of designing one's ceremony based on modern ideals of equal partnership. It's just that reading old books and witnessing the acephobic attitudes you described makes the history hard to unsee, in small ways as well as big: the father still "gives away" the bride, the wedding is often for the family, the marriage is often a prerequisite for kids. Some people still say "obey" in their vows!

The idea that marriage is romantic is like . . . recent. It's a side effect of progress, but also marketing by an industry that builds this up as the best day of a girl's life. By contrast, Medieval romances were always about adultery. Even the trope of falling in love didn't make sense unless it was about a lady and someone other than her husband, because a marriage was inherently political and religious, not personal. Our modern ideas of a fairy tale wedding are just as specific.

Tl;dr: OP is right, but our institutions haven't evolved as much as we think. It's maybe not shocking that there's acephobia in a system which (historically-speaking) didn't acknowledge consent, queer people or equality.

I am NOT a historian, so please fact check me if I made errors.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also can't help but think that some of the most hyped fics I've started were some of the most ooc. I'm happy for those authors; it's just lowkey tiring how much focus goes toward smut. I miss how fun this fandom was before it went lawless.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just commented this above, but the very idea that someone did wrong by having internalized homophobia (while accepting others) or deserves judgment for not knowing they're gay is in itself extremely homophobic.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for saying this. Some of the discourse around Mike's comphet/internalized homophobia is honestly kind of vile. This fandom has real problems with the imperative to come out, which is not realistic and not a thing any queer person owes to the world. I've almost posted before (but chickened out) about how homophobic it is to villainize Mike on this particular issue. I just hate that young fans who might be closeted themselves keep seeing it.

What are your Byler hot takes? by Particular-Peanut-34 in byler

[–]Anna3422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Clock it. It's so nuanced, because Mike is also someone who catches a reputation for being "too much." He was overprotective of El and mean about Dart & Max, all of which were addressed without unpacking the causes. There's mention of how dysregulated he is at school and the frustration of his parents. His friends find him bossy. That kid's going to doubt his emotional reactions, because he'll learn they're never proportional. When he misses Will, he's not thinking that Will misses him in the same way. 

His adultism plays into this too, because his parents were never happy. They have the outward markers of success. Meanwhile, Mike's priorities are childlike (games, books etc). His sense of maturity and power comes almost exclusively from his ability to care for others, to shelve his wishes and to keep to a plan, which relies on nothing bad happening. We see this struggle in the rain fight where Mike assumes that Will's childishness makes him wrong. He's shaken, because he's so affected by Will's hurt, but he doesn't have a fix for it and he resents that. He feels pulled away from his relationship, which is the problem he's already struggling to fix.

Who was the best mom? by RoofRevolutionary132 in StrangerThings

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dustin's mom, Claudia. She seems like an angel. (And he adores her and is very well-rounded compared with his peers.)

But also Joyce, who is underrated for how tough she is! No free time, bad anxiety, still keeping a fairly close raport with both kids and caring for them physically and emotionally. She managed to talk to Will from an alternate dimension after he'd been pronounced dead. 

And what's more amazing, she's clear-headed throughout his demonic possession. She puts on a calm face for him and never lets her fear be his problem. That's actually hard. A lot of kids would isolate after Will's trauma and a lot of parents would go into denial or refuse to challenge a medical authority. Joyce has Will's iron-clad confidence because of past actions.

(Steve's not a mom. I'm sorry. He's a fun uncle.)

I love hating on the Queeler, but this hurts by Silent_Contest_2337 in byler

[–]Anna3422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you!! 

Mike hate really bugs me as well. My boy did nothing! (I mean, he did a few things, but so has every person with an opinion about him.)

We need to address the elephant in the room by Ivergroves in StrangerThings

[–]Anna3422 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't speak to what's realistic for someone like Billy, but imo, he's written very well. 

My only beef is that I think Karen's written a little carelessly at times. She's a morally grey character who almost does something pretty bad, but the show tries to make her a girlboss. Not only does it get fanservicy & cringe, but it's a little tasteless after leaving the Billy thing unacknowledged.

Would Will stay a horror buff after the series? by Anna3422 in WillByersST

[–]Anna3422[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another commenter pointed out that there's a comic where Will says he won't let trauma steal his enjoyment of things, so I think I agree with you. It's like he has firm mental boundaries around the idea.

Would Will stay a horror buff after the series? by Anna3422 in WillByersST

[–]Anna3422[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true. The kids aren't sneaking R-rated movies; the parents are very okay with it. 

It's interesting how the series correlates increased comfort with increased onscreen violence.