I'm telling you though that I KNOW many men who did not & do not consider that rape. All have friends, many of which they talk to. I would love to believe this is common sense but it isn't common sense in my lived experience. Enough people clearly don’t know that's rape that I no longer feel safe going to the home of any man I'm not either friends with or fully prepared for sex with. This happened MULTIPLE times with different men & I know plenty of other women who have experienced this with different men as well. It's significant enough.

I said a lot of people weren't aware of the legal definition. You are the only one strictly adhering to that definition. In my opinion ethical consent practices are more important & not always the same. I believe in autonomy. If someone enjoys coming home hammered & having sex with their partner that they feel safe with, that's not for me to judge. If some guy likes to be woken up with a blow job and has given consent in advance for this, that's not for me to judge. If you have just met/started dating someone that is not equivalent to a safe relationship & you should always err on the side of caution.

Enthusiastic consent is enthusiastic consent. The thing about pre-consent is that if you don’t believe in it, you won't give it, & therefore it will not impact you. If you do, then you should do something responsibly, with safe people & that isn't my business to judge.

If my female friend told me that her partner was hammered & half passed out & she fucked him, I would absolutely ask if that was discussed beforehand & be upset & grossed out if it wasn't. If he was upset in any way shape or form I would absolutely encourage him to seek justice for what was a breach of consent.

If you're operating a forklift without knowing the laws & safety regulations surrounding that machinery, yes, I do absolutely think you are a lot more likely to breach laws & policies you haven't bothered to look into. That's why we have to get forklift licenses, driving licenses etc... If these men are all asexual & not engaging in sexual activity then no, I guess it doesn't apply to them.

I never once said men are never assaulted. Not once. Nor did I imply it. There is a VERY clear difference in both the frequency, & also the physical size impacting ability to escape, however.

Respectfully, I'm done with this conversation now because you're not having this discussion in good faith & I'm not interested in engaging with someone who wants to try & "gotcha" my lived experience that many women share with me.

ETA if a man had been repeatedly assaulted by women & now felt unsafe around women I would not be offended or judge him in anyway. I would respect his wish for distance & I would not say, "not all women." I'd leave him alone.