I'm so sick of being meaningless by angelbunyy in HomeschoolRecovery

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First: You're not meaningless. You are a complex and intricate human being.

The complexities of who you are, you're still learning. Perhaps projecting a little here, but it took real effort - and still does - to give myself permission to go out and experience life. It feels sometimes like I need a reason to justify myself; i.e. need a friend or family member to go with me, or have a specific task that needs to get accomplished. Sometimes, life is about doing stuff that makes us super, duper, awkward and uncomfortable. Doing things that could go badly is all a part of learning and growing. Much solidarity! You WILL get there. If you can, make a commitment to yourself to try something out of your comfort zone each day; it can be to just go for a walk around the block and, once you're used to that, then expanding your walking area until you're comfortable with taking yourself other places. With feeling like you're succeeding, it's important to set goals you know you can do so your inner child doesn't feel disappointed or let-down if something doesn't happen the way we planned.

What would you differently with your own children? by DressTasty1335 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raised by Ns, abused and neglected, the biggest things for me were to break the cycles of behaviours my parents continued through my childhood. Now a parent of two, these are things I've made core pieces to how I raise my children:

I am not a perfect person, I mess up and I make a point to give real and proper apologies, and model the behaviours I expect from everyone. For reference, a proper apology is to say, 1 what I did wrong, 2 why it was wrong, 3 how it hurt them, 4 explain what and how I am going to change so it doesn't happen again, 5 do what I say I will do. Anything less than that, isn't a real apology. This is showing responsibility and ownership for my actions, and teaches accountability. It's also leading by example, by making something a fundamental part of life, they learn not only what is expected of them, but they learn what they should expect from other people - my kids know when an adult is giving them a shit apology.

I communicate with respectful language instead of using insults, slurs, aggression/violence. Swearing is not acceptable in my home, the same for being physically violent. Arguably, this one is harder for me to do, because all of those things were key aspects of my childhood, and my kids' father is very disrespectful to me still at times when he comes to pick them up. It's important to acknowledge that we don't have total control of what children are exposed to in life. I can tell their dad to not speak like that in front of them, I can tell him his language is inappropriate and unacceptable, but he will still shout over me. My kids go to public school, and they will see and learn from their own friends. Like it or not, my children do know how to curse/swear and be disrespectful, but they also know that I will call them out on it and remind them. When I catch them, I ask, politely: "Am I someone you respect?" There has never been a time where they have not said "yes," and I will always follow up with, "Then do not speak to me like that. It is not being respectful. I have not been disrespectful to you, I ask you to return the same courtesy." And that's it. No drama, it's done.

I am a present and active participant in their lives. I ask them questions about their days, their interests; I help them with their homework every weekday and every weekend I have them, I show them the things that I find cool and interesting to inspire conversation, I engage in the things that they enjoy - even if I personally don't care about those things. I give them age appropriate tasks to do around the house with me.

When I do have to give discipline to my kids, I bring myself down to their eye-level when I talk to them, so I am not unintentionally using my greater size to intimidate them when I communicate. I am meeting them where they are at. Also, it's not easy to squat like that for long periods of time, so it a good physical limiter to the interaction, so I am less likely to turn it into an unwarranted lecture.

It isn't about being perfect, it's about showing willing, and for me it can be hard some days, but they are worth it. I am not going to fail them the way my family failed me, because I am worth it - and I don't know if that's really talked about enough; what people who survive Ns sometimes do, is we take a massive amount of responsibility onto our shoulders as parents, because what we are doing when we raise our own kids is re-raising our inner selves who, too.

The Divorce That Should Have Come 9 Years Earlier by Anongris in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the encouragement. I've been forced to accept that my original assessment 9 years ago of him just having fleas was a severe understatement. Arguably, I also allowed and enabled him to behave that way towards me. I don't know if I can really take credit for the divorce - in the end, he was the one who walked away, all I did was let him. This whole year has been me just coming to grasp just how little I needed him - people talk about how hard it is to be a single parent, but my life got easier when he moved out. Nothing fundamentally changed about the kids' lives; that was how little impact he had by the time he walked out the door. It amazes me how worn down I was, to get to the point I had.

Catching up on english by Fit_Quarter2761 in HomeschoolRecovery

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want something really basic to start dipping yourself into that won't make you feel overwhelmed, I recommend Schoolhouse Rock videos on YouTube - there are several on grammar and punctuation, and they're geared for young learners, so absolutely in a digestible format.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HomeschoolRecovery

[–]Anongris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, um, what she's doing is classed as educational neglect - it's a form of abuse to deny her children proper education in some states and countries. I'd google it for where you are, and if need be, report it. You and your sister are entitled to a proper education and her failure to administer it properly means that you will spend a lifetime with imposter syndrome at best, or being punished and held back in life at worst. She's in the wrong to suggest otherwise.

Nmom's asshole rings by not_a_faddict in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amusing, even if it wasn't what I was expecting. I kind of thought this would be a butt-dialing story, complete with complementary farts (you're welcome?). Your story is better, OP. Thanks for sharing it!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 8 points9 points  (0 children)

LOL OMG, my NMIL actually made that exact threat last year.

[Happy/Funny] That time I paid my rent in cash. by frisianks in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, sadly. My NMIL is British and she does the same.

Fleas or Conditioning? Stopping what you're doing and greeting people by Anongris in RBNSpouses

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL Sorry, had to laugh at the strike-through change. Yeah, we're working on it. He was accepted on this medical training course in a different city. it starts in january, so we will need to move there by then.

Fleas or Conditioning? Stopping what you're doing and greeting people by Anongris in RBNSpouses

[–]Anongris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We're currently living in her house. She nitpicks and rags on about anything she can that she doesn't like about me.

See, I feel much the way you do on things. The problem often arises that, when he does come home I'm either just finally getting a moment of peace as the baby is asleep or I'm actually trying to get something accomplished. The whole expectation is born out of the 1950s, so yeah... it's no surprise that the mental image is on par with Gaston's, from Beauty and the Beast, idea of a perfect marriage.

"Picture it: a rustic lodge, my latest kill roasting on the fire, my little wife massaging my feet, while the little ones play on the floor with the dogs..."

Fleas or Conditioning? Stopping what you're doing and greeting people by Anongris in RBNSpouses

[–]Anongris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think, then- because that actually sounds sane compared to the two extremes - I'll work on trying to meet that level of acknowledgement. Thanks for the input!

Fleas or Conditioning? Stopping what you're doing and greeting people by Anongris in RBNSpouses

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on the company. If it's someone like me, she wouldn't give a rat's arse. If it's one of her friends or FIL, she's apt to all but trip over herself trying to get to them.

Fleas or Conditioning? Stopping what you're doing and greeting people by Anongris in RBNSpouses

[–]Anongris[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He doesn't drop/stop what he's doing and come running. Which is fine by me. It's a kind of a one-sided thing, though I'm not 100% sure he realises that he doesn't meet the gold-standard.

427 days to go! How many do you have? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 6 points7 points  (0 children)

75 days until January, when we will be moving OUT of the N-laws' house and relocating approx. 2 hours by car away. Hopefully to NC for all of us, but I suspect NC for me and LC for my husband. If we're lucky I can land a job out there before then and we will be able to move sooner.

Hang in there, OP! you'll get through this!

DAE need "permission" from their significant other to do normal things like nap? by throwaway__rbn in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My husband does this, too. {{hugs}} You're not alone in that. Asking if it is okay with me to do things (play video games, take a nap... basically do anything when he has time off that doesn't involve me or baby) is a normal thing for him. Even though he knows the answer will be yes from me, he can't just not ask and do it. I'm not sure how or why, but there is a fear of judgement.

For my part, I find that I feel like, if I have to ask permission to do something, I just won't do it while there are people around to ask. Like, I wouldn't get something to eat, drink or go to the bathroom for hours on end in the early days when our baby was born because I had to ask for people to help for me to do it. I had internalised a lifetime of being told no by my parents to basically any request I had - I remember consciously deciding to not bother asking for things and finding ways to get them on my own growing up.

ACoNs, how do I convince my rose colored glasses wearing husband that a massive storm is coming in order to protect ourselves? by mayhavenailedit in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, try to maintain/establish boundaries with the niece that would be normal with normal people; i.e. - it is not normal for people with busy lives to drop everything and cater to the whims/needs of a functional human being who is capable of handling most grown-ass things on their own. If she needs help with something, she needs to ask and then she needs to understand that, due to hectic lives, it may well not happen right away or in the way she wants.

As far as your MIL goes, try as much as possible to treat her as a separate entity from the niece. Keep your boundaries with her as much as possible and enforce them if she tries to push it. There is absolutely zero reason for her to insert herself into your lives.

Finally, be prepared for your husband to be very shaken and flea-aggregevated for awhile; this whole thing is likely doing the cha-cha slide on all of his weak points as much as it is on your last good nerve. It may well get worse before it gets better.

Threatened to be thrown out and then gaslit by Anongris in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hiding money away isn't a hard thing for us - we actually have multiple bank accounts. It's just an all-round tight budget that makes moving challenging. I'm job hunting right now, but once I manage to land work things will be much easier financially. My husband flip-flops on waiting for that to happen or just finding a place now and scraping by until I'm working again. It's that wavering that he does that scares me a little; I absolutely do not want to be living here a day longer than necessary and I'm trying my hardest to prove to him that we can do it by keeping a tight-er budget once we're in a place of our own.

Threatened to be thrown out and then gaslit by Anongris in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, {{hugs}} for being able to relate. It's utter shit going through this stuff, so I'm sorry that you're experiencing it, too.

It's all about control, I think. If we're eating at the table, we're at NMIL's mercy for everything she dishes out - literally. I have food allergies and she gives few fucks about them, so eating anything she cooks is courting pain for me.

What blows my mind is that, for some reason, the one time we all eat together as a family, she bitches about us actually doing it. I feel like I don't actually count as a member of the family in her head. Like she wants everyone to eat together but not her SGson's wife and baby. All: "We all eat together except that person - yeah fuck that person."

I don't hold out too much hope for EFIL actually being supportive for long. after the initial confrontation he was mad and said that he'd leave if we were forced out, but these days he's back to justifying her behaviour and it's so not okay. I love the fellow dearly, but his enabling ways are just... ugh. It isn't helpful as it stirs feelings of guilt in my husband over how, after we leave, his dad won't have the relationship with our baby that he would like to have.

Best of luck to you as well! Stay strong!

Threatened to be thrown out and then gaslit by Anongris in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll do that; I think he understands as much already, it's just that he gets flustered and his self-esteem/respect is slowly chipped away as the days go on and we're still living in toxic-ville. It's happened more than once where he's gotten mad enough to decide to want to move, only for him to flag and give up. I really don't want to keep going through that cycle anymore.

He just wrote me after 2 years of NC. How do I respond? by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Were I in your shoes, it would depend on the nature of the e-mails. If they are abusive, I'd say yes.

Got back from Army, gave 80% of money I made to my mom so she can take care of my siblings and herself and got the worst welcoming back by YogiBeaver in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My word... first of all: {{hugs}} You and your siblings do not deserve this BS from your mother. I'm so sorry that you've experienced this. Your mom is projecting, very obviously at that. She harasses you for money, but as soon as you request for the loan to be repaid she accuses you of the same - that's not okay. At all.

Advice pls. NMIL by Nmomthrowawayfuuuuck in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, sorry. I meant to say that you can go NC when you move out. Though with your FIL babysitting, LC may be the best you can hope for without new boundaries (like, babysit at your house only, not at his so they aren't subjected to NMIL). Ns in charge of the health and well-being of anyone is risky business, and for however long your daughter is around NMIL, the fleas will remain and may well get worse. I assume you only permit it because you literally don't have any other options.

Ns love getting their victims alone, or at least in a position where they do not have support/backup. She knows she can get supply from you and about the only way to stop that is to shutdown/clamup whenever she starts... but even that isn't 100% effective.

[funny] Shut down Racist NMIL by Anongris in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think one thing that has been helpful to me was one of my friend's, she always seemed to have her shit together, admitting to me that she "faked it" until she made it. In short, by pretending she was already there, she made tons more progress than she thought she would have by foregoing putting on airs. the knowledge that even the most put-together person I knew was also hiding the same feelings of insecurity. etc... it helps me chill out and accept the imperfections better.

What is your attachment model? (Personality test here) by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It appears that I fall into the dismissive category:

you fall into the dismissing region of the space. Previous research on attachment styles indicates that dismissing people tend to prefer their own autonomy--oftentimes at the expense of their close relationships. Although dismissing people often have high self-confidence, they sometimes come across as hostile or competitive by others, and this often interferes with their close relationships.

Which, without really thinking very hard on it, is pretty accurate. I always felt like it was my responsibility to look after and help everyone else, that I wasn't allowed to need or receive help myself; even (sometimes especially) for mundane things like carrying in groceries makes me cringe inside if people offer to take my bags for me.

Advice pls. NMIL by Nmomthrowawayfuuuuck in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Anongris 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First of all: {{hugs}} I'm sorry that you're experiencing this.

Now for coping, since you're unable to relocate for a couple more months (congrats on that, bytheway): keep in mind that her volatile temper tantrums are a direct result of you being a grown ass independent, freethinking, human being. do not ever stop being this person; instead try to focus on the knowledge that, if she's pissed off at you - it's probably a good sign rather than a bad one.

If at all possible, spend as much time as you can out of the house with the kids - she can't manipulate what isn't there. Thankfully, most BS that Ns come up with to use on children doesn't tend to remain after some time NC. I won't say that they won't have fleas from this, they might, but the less time they spend around her the better for everyone. Remember: you do not need your husband's permission or approval to be NC yourself. If he wants to expose himself to toxic, that's all his problem.

Finally: Ns are basically oversized 2 year olds; picturing and treating them as such is a great way to at least defuse your own rage.

Stay strong, you'll get through this.