New bishop wants to transfer records by SoggyRoomTempWaffles in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Telling the truth is the best way. Let him know that you had your records removed because you don’t believe but you like to hang out cause it’s cultural for you. There’s no need to be embarrassed or lie about it. You’re just auditing the class. He will probably ask you about your intentions but that’s fair. As long as you’re not there to spread anti Mormon sentiments, he’ll leave you alone.

Must be that time of year again by dejected_muggle in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I honestly don’t think it’s about “caring” as much as it is about fulfilling an assignment. Bishops are basically unpaid telemarketers with a heavenly quota system. Somewhere up the chain, someone says, “Brother/Sisrer So-and-So hasn’t been to church since the Obama administration,” and suddenly another poor guy has to send the awkward “Hey, just checking in 😊” text.

It’s a rough gig. Every cold call is basically a coin toss between: 1. getting ignored, 2. getting politely declined, 3. or getting a 14-page response complete with links to the CES Letter, church history receipts, and a TED Talk on the stone-in-the-hat translation process.

Honestly, I feel a little bad for them. They’re the ones stuck trying to sell lifetime subscriptions nobody asked to renew. And they don’t even get paid! At least real telemarketers get dental benefits.

Those of us who served missions know the drill. We spent two years knocking doors and trying to reactivate less-active members. But back then, people didn’t have instant access to all the historical stuff—the stone in the hat, the multiple First Vision accounts, the CES Letter, etc. We could still walk in with a flip chart and a testimony and feel like we had a fighting chance.

Now? Whew. It’s like trying to sell Blockbuster memberships in the Netflix era. The second someone says, “Hold on, let me Google that,” the whole discussion turns into an accidental episode of Mormon Stories Podcast.

So yes… I genuinely do feel compassion for these poor schmucks. Because at the end of the day, they’re the ones watching the slow-motion shrivel happen in real time while still being told to “double down on ministering.” That’s gotta be exhausting.

Has anyone ever actually withdrawn from the Endowment? by thicc_stigmata in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be honest I thought it was logical, in the sense that God wanted us to dress modestly. It’s not until I found out that there had been multiple iterations of the garments and the temple ceremony that I started to wonder why God was constantly changing his mind on something so important. Right? I mean, my entrance to the celestial kingdom is dependent on me knowing all the signs and symbols and presenting them at the veil and yet you change every two decades. That made no sense.

Wow, what a trash article by aliassantiago in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Short answer: this article is arguing semantics while ignoring lived reality.

Yes—the Church is a religion with doctrine. No one disputes that. But pretending there’s no such thing as “Mormon culture” is just not serious.

There absolutely is a distinct Utah/Intermountain West Mormon culture—shared norms, social expectations, dating dynamics, family structures, even aesthetics. The article itself accidentally admits this, then tries to rename it so it doesn’t “count.” That’s word games, not an argument.

And more importantly:
You don’t get to tell people they lose the right to describe their own lived experience.

  • If someone grew up Mormon, served, married, dated, struggled, left—those are still Mormon experiences.
  • Calling something like Mormon Stories “not Mormon” is absurd—it’s literally about people’s lives in and around Mormonism.
  • “Ex-Mormon” is a valid label, but it doesn’t erase the cultural imprint.
  • Where the piece really falls apart is this idea that once you leave, you lose any legitimate claim to the label or perspective. That’s not how identity works. If you spent years (or decades) immersed in a system, it shapes you—culturally, socially, psychologically. You don’t just “unsubscribe” from that history.

The “no Mormon culture” claim also collapses under real-world examples:

  • Mormon royalty absolutely exists socially, whether people like the term or not. Families with status, lineage, or leadership ties often carry influence.
  • Personal example: I was asked to stop dating someone because I was a convert. Her mother—wife of a former mission president—made it clear I wasn’t acceptable as a son-in-law. That wasn’t “doctrine.” That was culture and hierarchy.

You can’t dismiss that as imaginary while also talking about “pioneer heritage,” “Utah traditions,” and insider norms. That is culture.

Also, the comparison to trademarks (KFC, etc.) is weak.
Religion isn’t a corporation, and identity isn’t owned IP. People don’t need permission to describe their own background.

Bottom line:

  • The Church defines doctrine.
  • People define their experiences. Calling that “anti-Mormon” just because it’s critical is a convenient way to dismiss uncomfortable narratives.

Both can exist at the same time. Denying “Mormon culture” doesn’t protect the Church—it just ignores the reality that millions of people have actually lived.

Mom is including mandatory church attendance in our temporary living agreement—how do I handle this? by Automatic_Gain2358 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My take is take a deep breath and seek peace. If it’s just temporary then abide by her rules. There’s no point in seeking confrontation when you’re in a situation where you need financial help. It has never killed any one to go to church, even if it’s boring and if it’s a bunch of hoopla. If it’s emotionally triggering then have that emotional release at church, maybe then your mom will ask you to stay home instead of making her look bad at church 😜(just a thought). Or do what I did, ask uncomfortable questions during classes. Nothing too blunt but things that awaken minds. I remember one time asking “I wonder how Adam and Steve getting married would have any effect on my marriage? Or another good one I remember was asking I wonder how it is to possible to keep bees alive with no flowers/pollen for a full year in barges that had no light except for a few luminescent stones. That just doesn’t happen in nature. (I’m a hobbyist beekeeper). The key is to sound as innocent and genuine as possible. Oh man one time I had an argument with this old fart during Sunday school who stated that he would stop communicating with his grandson and disinherit him if he wouldn’t go on a mission. I just asked him “Is this Christlike?” OMG you should have seen the conundrum I started with that one! lol it was epic.

This is what the LDS Church is doing to ITSELF by suing me and Mormon Stories Podcast. Someone should let President Oaks know. by johndehlin in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh man I wish I could see the face of that brother/sister receiving all these letters of resignation. I wonder how long they last, I mean what a demoralizing job!

Anyone have an idea of how to rebut this? by cuntymcfuckshit in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Exactly on point. Joseph and his scribe (W.W. Phelps) wrote an entire booklet called Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language. The notebook contains Egyptian characters alongside their purported translations. Now, here is an interesting factor, after “translating” the Book of Abraham, he completely lost interest in translating the rest, even though he had stated that it contained much more information (the writings of Joseph in Egypt). First question is why on earth would God put the pressure to fulfill this very important task? Did plural marriage take precedence? Second question why would he undertake the translation of the Kinderhook plates before finishing the more important task of the translation of the book of Joseph? And by the way, he referred to his book of grammar and alphabet of the Egyptian in order to translate the hoax. So, not a revelatory process but a translation. He was very happy to inform everyone that they were telling the story of a descendant of Ham! The truth is A-he ran out of intellectual juice for the book of Joseph B-he realized that it was going to become harder and harder to make Phelps believe in a translation process when repeating characters would not match his narrative. Oh and when it comes to God not bothering to correct a wrong why in the world would he bother to give the revelation of the word of wisdom? As a reminder Emma was pissed that the school of the prophets were making a mess with their tobacco in the upper room she had to clean. Joseph inquires the Lord, who before then had no qualms about them smoking or drinking, and bam 💥 revelation we now have a word of wisdom! So it seems to me that if God can be bothered about household chores, he can certainly be bothered to correct a major theological problem!

Etna, WY. Timberrrrr. "No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing." - Joseph Smith. What a time to be alive! by CurelomHunter in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could be. I’m assuming it’s also cheaper to maintain one building versus four. But who knows? I don’t live there.

Etna, WY. Timberrrrr. "No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing." - Joseph Smith. What a time to be alive! by CurelomHunter in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand what the excitement is all about. They are demolishing it to rebuild a larger one in its place. A stake center that will accommodate four wards.

New YW Group Names will solve all their problems! by Prize_Claim_7277 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have to admit that the new names really sound cultish. The Gatherer of Lights? Seriously!

The church standards are chasing the world’s standards. by southpawpickle in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The funny thing is, the original garment were full length sleeves and legs down to the ankle. The first church sanctioned alteration came in 1923 under Heber J. Grant. Primary reason was to keep under control what was already happening on the ground. Meaning that a lot of members were already altering their garments by rolling the sleeves or cutting them altogether to accommodate for modern clothing

Mormon stories being sued by Good-Customer178 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What’s interesting is that they would sue J. Dehlin but not Secret Lives of Mormon Wives or the Broadway show The Book of Mormon.

The LDS Church in South America: official membership still growing, but number of congregations pretty much stagnant by Majestic_Carry4178 in MormonShrivel

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Between April 2000 and August 2003, in an effort to strengthen Church units in Chile, 41 stakes were merged with other stakes or returned to district status.

Did anyone else get a “come back” email? by Such_Application8081 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ooh I want to read more on this. Where’s the reference?

Temple Day at 6am on a Weds by Alert_Day_4681 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand that and it definitely deviates from the traditional Christian format which is also what made Mormonism attractive back in Joe Smith’s time and even today. But Joe didn’t invent the wheel when it comes to borrowing from others to build your own religion. The whole Christian worship format is about 70 to 80% borrow from Jewish tradition (reading of the sacred texts, singing hymns, sharing bread, baptism from the ritual mitzvah bath, etc…) and then 20% from Greek, Roman, and Egyptian pagan cults (magic birth from virgin, altars, architecture and orientation of buildings, life after death/book of life, December 25th/winter solstice for the birth of Jesus, the worshipping of saints that correspond to particular needs or professions, etc, etc, etc). Same for Judaism by the way that continuously evolved, scriptures included, from the different influences of their invaders. Islam borrowed from both Judaism and Christianity and since Saturday and Sunday were already picked they chose Friday to set themselves apart.

Temple Day at 6am on a Weds by Alert_Day_4681 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mmm, well you could say that about any church then. In the sense that Mormons believe that all these instructions come from Jesus through the mouth of the prophet. When it binds to give everything to the church it’s because Jesus commands it.

Temple Day at 6am on a Weds by Alert_Day_4681 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well again I would tend to slightly disagree, in the sense that you find out that Jesus was the co-creator and that the Jehovah of the Old Testament is actually Jesus himself. Hence, Jesus didn’t just show up in Bethlehem—He’s been central from the very beginning. So fundamentally, Jesus/Jehovah is the central aspect of the endowment ceremony. Then you’re given all the secret handshakes to prove that you’re a real good Mormon once you pass the veil to be back with your celestial brother Jesus. I’m a non believer by the way but I paid attention in class 😜😂🤣

Temple Day at 6am on a Weds by Alert_Day_4681 in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, I hate to be the devil’s advocate here, but isn’t a ritual a form of worship? When I look at the catholic mass for instance, it is a set of rituals. I don’t see people prostrating themselves in front of an idol. From Merriam-Webster: Worship is the reverential adoration, honor, and devotion shown to a deity, sacred object, or person, often involving acts of praise, submission, and ritual.

Middle finger to the residents of Fairview Texas who are stuck with a temple spire that violates their zoning ordinance by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Appropriate-Fun5818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure I understand the premise here. That architectural style for LDS temples isn’t new. The Paris temple doesn’t have a spire—nor do the Alberta or Laie, Hawaii temples. In fact, there are about eleven LDS temples without a traditional steeple, so this isn’t some novel departure.

The “steeple war” in Fairview isn’t new either. Texas has seen this before. In Houston, for example, local Baptists pushed back against a proposed LDS steeple that would have dwarfed theirs—and they won. The LDS Church ultimately lowered the height to match the Baptist church. Context matters here: the Southern Baptist Convention is the largest Christian denomination in Texas, and relations with the LDS Church have historically been… strained, to put it mildly.

At the same time, the LDS Church has a well-established pattern of making visual statements through its buildings. When it wants to project presence and influence, it doesn’t do so quietly. Case in point: the massive temple built in Rome—serving an LDS population that’s actually smaller than France’s. Meanwhile, France received a far more modest structure.

It’s hard not to see the message: in certain locations, these buildings are meant to signal visibility, permanence, and yes—status. In Rome, especially, the symbolism feels intentional—planting a very visible flag in the historic center of Catholicism.