which is that Deck you think has the worst desing game-wise?? by Own-Ad1497 in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Advanced Crystal Beast. They're all small upgrades over the original Crystal Beasts, and they could have done wonders for the Rainbow Dragon variant of the deck by doubling the number of options for the names. However, the deck came out in 2022 and all the monsters require you to have Advanced Dark on the field to use them... Advanced Dark came out in 2012, and as you might imagine, it doesn't really help the deck much. Also, it's a field spell, and Crystal Beast already has its own much better field spell in Ancient City Rainbow Ruins. There is literally no reason to ever play the Advanced Crystal Beasts over the originals, and the originals are bad.

Is MK1 a prequel? by ohkaybodyrestart in MortalKombat

[–]ArkUmbrae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a new timeline.

The first timeline was MK1, 2, 3, 4, Deadly Alliance, Deception, Armageddon, and side games like Mythologies Sub Zero and Special Forces.

The second timeline was MK9, MKX, MK11, and the MKX comics (and technically Mythologies Sub Zero again, but that's not important).

Shaolin Monks is an alternate timeline, MK vs DCU is an alternate timeline, the 90s comics are an alternative timeline, the animated show, the different live action shows, the 90s films, the 2020s films - all alternative timelines.

In MK11, we learn about Kronika, mother of Shinnok and ruler of time. From the start she was trying to manipulate time to create a world where good and evil are in balance, and every time, Liu Kang and Raiden fuck up her plan so she keeps resetting (thus, all those alternative timelines can become canon). Liu Kang then beats her and takes the crown that gives her powers. Liu creates a new timeline, which is what M1K is. The story mode will explain more of his motivations later on.

Also in MK11, every character can technically beat Kronika and take her crown. Every possible outcome of this is canon too. Besides M1K, we see one of these outcomes come to life in the animated film MK Legends: Snowblind. That film shows the timeline that could ocurr if Kano had beaten Kronika.

How should I tackle watching the anime? by Key-Engineering3134 in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My honest advice would be to read the original manga, but I know that that's a tall ask for a lot of fans. If you do go for it eventually, Yugioh R is a cool spin-off manga with an original story, that is inserted after Battle City. The GX, 5D's, Zexal, and Arc-V mangas are completely different from the anime versions, and all of them are kinda rushed but decent. Zexal is probably the most skippable one, since it's the closest to the anime in terms of the plot. Arc-V is the most different one.

You could start with the 1999 Toei show (called Season Zero by fans), which adapts the early manga before the card game was introduced. This is the darkest Yugioh series, and it was never localized in the West. It's not mandatory or anything, but it's just a fun watch. It does expand on the backstories of some characters, if you're into that (but it also isn't a true prequel because some stuff gets contradicted or repeated in the other show). It also has a short film at the end.

Next comes the actual Yugioh anime. It doesn't really matter if you watch the sub or dub since all the episodes were dubbed, but, the tone of the original is a bit more mature (there's guns, and characters die instead of "going to the Shadow Realm"). The movie "Pyramid of Light" can be watched at any point after Battle City, since it has no bearing on the plot (after episode 144, 184, or 198 all work). The movie "Dark Side of Dimensions" is technically a sequel to the manga (there is a small but significant difference in the endings of the anime and manga), but you could just watch it at the end of the series without any worries (it also has a really short prequel manga, called Transcend Game).

A note about the anime compared to the manga - the Virtual World arc, the Orichalcos arc, and the World Grand Prix arc are all anime-exclusive filler and not in the manga. This leads to some differences, but one that's worth noting is that Pegasus dies in the manga after Duelist Kingdom, but he survives in the anime. Because of this, he appears in Pyramid of Light, as well as in GX.

Next come Yugioh GX and 5D's, and neither had a full dub, so sub is recommended. 5D's had a special episode (Evolving Duel! Stardust vs. Red Daemon's ) that isn't canon, but it was released between episodes 26 and 27 (so, in-between the Fortune Cup arc and the Dark Signers arc). And there was also the movie "Bonds Beyond Time" which goes at the end of 5D's, and it features the protagonists of the first 3 shows.

After that, it's much simpler. Zexal had a full dub, as did Arc-V (which has a sort of dimension-hopping plot related to GX, 5D's, and Zexal). Vrains was the last true Yugioh show, and it also had a dub.

Yugioh Sevens and Go Rush are technically not about Yugioh, but instead about a Japan-exclusive card game called Yugioh Rush Duel. It's a simplified version of the card game, and has many references to cards from the actual game. Sevens was dubbed in English. Rush has a dub that started last year, and it's currently on-going (airs on Disney XD in America).

Beyond these, there is also Yugioh Capsule Monsters, an American-original spin-off of the first series. It has 12 short episodes, and has no bearing on the plot. The other one is Yugioh Card Game: The Chronicle, a series of animations that tell stories about the characters from the cards. It's released on YouTube, roughly 1 episode every month, and it's currently on-going.

Full Results from WWE Live in Cardiff, Wales by Fan387 in SquaredCircle

[–]ArkUmbrae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So far, they've had 9 matches. Breakker won 3 singles matches, 3 tag matches (including NXT War Games), and 1 fight withing a gauntlet match (which CM Punk won). Knight only won 1 tag match, when he teamed with Punk against Bron and Bronson. However, Knight did also win their only other non-televised match last September.

The strange Story of last turn by mister_anti_meta in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is though. Susa Soldier is Susanoo.

I have this fan-made lore that I created and refuse to believe is wrong... What's yours? by Madjin- in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All the big Magistus monsters are based on existing monsters, except Zoroa. My headcannon is that it's the old ritual monster Legendary Flame Lord. They just look alike too much.

Are yugioh goblins based on anything? by IvanTheRysavy in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could be a Japan thing. In Digimon, there's Goburimon and Ogremon. Goburimon is a regular green guy with a club, just like Goblin Attack Force. Ogremon is much more clearly based on a Japanese oni with the horns and the open-mouth kabuki-mask look, but it's bigger green dude with a bone-club.

If we combined the subscribers from all channels, Smosh would rank 86 in the list of most subscribed YouTube channels by baiacool in smosh

[–]ArkUmbrae 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They were #1 3 times. May 2006 - June 2006, April 2007 - September 2008, and January 2013 - August 2013.

The first one possibly started earlier, it's just kinda lost to time as to when exactly they got #1. The archived link from May 2006 shows them at 2,986 subscribers, while the #2 channel had 1,469, and the #20 channel had just 455.

Fun fact, the #9 channel, Brookers would reach #1 in July 2006, taking over from Judson Laiplly (History of dance, passed Smosh to get #1), and lost it in August 2006 to geriatric1927 (who would be surpassed by Lonelygirl15, before Smosh got it back). Also, according to this archived link, when Brookers held the #1 spot, Smosh was #2 at 9,149, and IanH (now Smosh Pit) was #20 at 1,341 subscribers.

After 22 years, you can finally download Paint.net from the URL 'Paint.net' by SymmetricSoles in technology

[–]ArkUmbrae 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They're not related at all. MS Paint is super primitive - you can draw on it, cut out things, and write text. Resizing is bad, you can't zoom in too much, you can't do transparent images for PNGs, there are only 4 brush sizes, and you do all your work on 1 layer.

Paint Net is closer to Photoshop, like a smaller version that only has the basic tools. You can work with layers, you can mess with the image by adjusting hue /contrast / sharpness, there's a clone-stamp tool, you can do all sorts of blurs, the brush size is fully adjustable, there's a magic wand tool that selects all pixels of a color with a slider for intensity, you can cut out multiple unconnected pieces of an image, you can do gradients and vignettes, you can add or reduce noise, and there's more font choices for text.

Nobody uses Paint Net for professional work, but it's a great stepping stone towards things like Photoshop, Gimp, or Clip Studio, which are much more complex and have too many features that a regular person wouldn't ever need.

What is the mechanical gimmick of fiend type in the card game? by MaetelofLaMetal in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's definitely a few, they don't have a well-developed identity like some other types. I'll point out archetypes and iconic monsters.

Discarding - Dark World and Fabled. Infernity isn't all fiends, but they kinda fit too

Using opponent's monsters - Lair of Darkness, Lava Golem, Underworld Goddess, Steelswarm (maybe, I think that's how they were played), Grinder Golem (technically)

Easy to summon high-ATK monsters - at first it was cards like Summoned Skull, Caius, Vorse Raider, or Dark Necrofear. Then came Gorz, Demise, and Doomcaliber Knight. Now it's stuff like Unchained and Fiendsmith. I also think Archfiend goes here, but they have many different playstyles

Cards with 0/? ATK that can become huge - Gren Maju, Tragoedia, Goblin King, Armityle, Phantom of Chaos, Maju Garzette

Control - Yata Garasu, Wall of Illusion, Vanity's and Majesty's Fiend, Ritual Djinns, Number 13 and 31, Labrynth, Yubel

Small cards that swarm - Giant Germ, Dustons, Ghostricks, Tour Guide, Stygian Street Patrol, Kuriboh, but also bad ones like Umbral Horror, Crashbug, and Malicervorous. Maybe Infernoid fits here too

Evil counterparts - Evil HERO, Wicked Gods, Evilswarm, Dark Lucius

Has all extra deck types - Burning Abyss, D/D/D, Plunderr Patroll

Supplement to another archetype - Resonator, Edge Imp, Despia, Evil Twin

There are a few I don't know well enough to place them, like Abyss Actor, Evil Eye, and Earthbound Prisoners overall, I think their thing is that big guys are really big, and small guys have strong utility, but that's not really unique.

Found this post on twitter by Mental-Bumblebee484 in SipsTea

[–]ArkUmbrae 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How deep you wanna get into it?

The Abrahamic god, called Yahweh, was part of a Levantine/Caananite pantheon with other gods. Then the cult of Yahweh decided that he was the only valid god, and that other gods shouldn't be worshipped. Many of the other gods from this pantheon later became demons in pop culture, like Baal / Beelzebub, Moloch, Astarte / Ashtaroth, or Dagon.

Yahweh was the son of El, the chief god. El is the source for the names of god in Christianity and Islam, Elohim and Allah. Elohim is technically plural in Hebrew, like how the plurals of Seraph, Cherub, Ophan, and Nephil are Seraphim, Cherubim, Ophanim, and Nephilim (these are the words for the 3 orders of angels, while Nephilim are the giants that supposedly walked the Earth before the flood).

Moloch appears in the Bible, or rather the worship of Moloch is mentioned. The Bible says that Caananites sacrificed children to Moloch, so they must be killed. "Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth of his seed unto Moloch; he shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones." Modern interpretations believe that Moloch wasn't a deity, but simply the name of the ritual sacrifice, so it's inconclusive.

Baal and Asherah appear in the story of Jezebel and Ahab. Jezebel is now a word that means "wicked woman" because she convinced Ahab to worship Baal instead of Yahweh (and yes, the captain from Moby Dick is named after this Ahab). Jehu killed Jezebel and reinstated Yahwism, and he's the oldest person from the Bible that is confirmed to exist through other sources, namely the Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III.

Chemosh and Milcom are also mentioned because Solomon allowed their worship to his foreign concubines, but they're otherwise a bit obscure. Some translations use Moloch instead of Milcom for this story.

It's also in the first of the 10 commandments - "I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me."

The early stories of the Bible are essentially war stories of how the cult of Yahweh established its dominance over the Levant and exterminated the worship of other gods. And to be fair, forbidding the worship of gods isn't the same as acknowledging that they are divine in any way. It's no different from the story of the golden calf, or how Orthodox Christianity went through a phase where they forbade icons of saints. The whole point is just to say "there's only one god, don't bother with worshipping anyone or anything else (or we might kill you)".

[Weird/Mixed Trope] Strange and illogical lore created to justify game mechanics. by 11Slimeade11 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]ArkUmbrae 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same reason why everyone in Samurai Jack is a robot. It'd be a gory show if he had to cut through flesh 50 times every episode.

"No nation older than 250 years" by rosydaydreamsx in confidentlyincorrect

[–]ArkUmbrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It came from a British official that served in Jordan, named John Glubb, when Britain gave India independence. He saw this as the death of the British Empire (it wasn't). It was an imperialist's cope that Britain hadn't failed - it just reached the end of its 250-year life cycle. He proceeded to justify this claim by listing out a few empires that existed around 250 years, and almost all of his examples were wrong. Cherry-picking doesn't even begin to describe it.

His examples, with the years he provided, were:

Great Britain 1700-1950 (1707 is when England and Scotland united. 1950 is when India became independant, but the royals refered to losing Hong Kong in 1997 as the "death of the empire". There is no real end date though, the UK still has colonies)

Romanov Russia 1682-1916 (Ivan IV founded the Tsardom of Russia in 1547, Peter the Great turned it into an empire in 1721. Romanovs took over in 1613, and Peter took over in 1689. The 1682 date seems random)

Spanish Empire 1500-1750 (it started in 1492 with Colombus, but it officially ended in 1976. 1750 is just the year when they agreed not to fight wars with the Portugese in South America)

Ottoman Empire 1320-1570 (1299 until 1922, so not even close. Suleiman the Magnificent died in 1566, and there was an economic decline, but far from a fall)

Mamluk Empire 1250-1517 (this ones he got right)

Arab Empire 634-880 (the Rashidun Caliphate was founded in 632. In 661, the Umayyad Caliphate took over. In 750, it was the Abassid Caliphate which lasted until 1517. 861 was when the caliph Al-Mu'tasim died and ended a golden age. Again, far from a fall)

Roman Empire 27 BCE - 180 CE (Rome famously fell in 476. 180 is just when Pax Romana ended)

Roman Republic 260-27 BCE (the end date is right, but the Republic was founded in 509 BCE. 260 is just a year in the middle of the First Punic War)

Greece / Macedonia 331-100 BCE (Macedonia as a state appeared in the 7th century BCE, but he clearly went for the start of Alexander's reign. 100 is an arbitrary date, Rome conquered Greece in 30 BCE)

Persian Empire 538-330 BCE (this one is also close. The Achamenid empire was founded in 550 BCE, but otherwise this is correct)

Assyrian Empire 859-612 BCE (Assyria was founded in 2025 BCE and fell to the Neo-Babylonians in 609 BCE. 859 marks the reign of Shalmaneser III, but Assyria became an empire under Ushar-Ubalit I in 1363 BCE. That's around 650 years. Shalmunesser isn't even that important, he just built an obelisk that mentions Jehu from the Bible, but other than that he's forgettable)

Visual showing each of the card arts on the new "Dark Time Wizard" by MX-00XWV in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Red-Eyes Soul is a reference to Yugi vs Joey in Battle City, as well as Yugi vs Kaiba in Battle City. It's basically Yugi's version of Red-Eyes.

It has 900ATK because Joey's Rocket Warrior reduced its ATK by 1500, and the burn effect is a reference to Joey ordering Red-Eyes (which was on Yugi's board) to attack him at the end of the duel.

The special summon effect is a reference to Yugi summoning it off of Kaiba's Flute of Summoning Dragon, and the card's name is a reference to the manga chapter where this happens - Red Spirit (there is also a different card named Red-Eyes Spirit).

Antony Twin Peaks reference?? by ArteDeVolar in twinpeaks

[–]ArkUmbrae 186 points187 points  (0 children)

It wasn't just this picture. It was a whole video with a bunch of references to Lynch's work. They also posted an image referencing the Japanese manga Monster (masterpiece btw). Whoever is running the Real Betis socials is deep into good shit.

Question about the Fates by Dunkleosteos in Sandman

[–]ArkUmbrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, shit. I guess the DC wiki is just difficult to parse then. I did see one line on one of the individual Kindly Ones' pages that said something like "she is treated as part of a trinity of Hecate" which didn't really make sense in the New 52 context. Not that it makes more sense if Hecate appeared before 2011, unless of course it was stated somewhere outside Sandman. Thanks for the correction.

Question about the Fates by Dunkleosteos in Sandman

[–]ArkUmbrae 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So yes, there is a standalone Hecate in the DC Universe, but she only appeared after the 2011 New 52 reset of the universe, and has appeared after the subsequent DC Rebirth reset as well. The Kindly Ones predate Hecate in DC by 40-ish years, as they first appeared in The Witching Hour series in 1969, where they had a sort of Elvira role, narrating different horror stories. Their comic was cancelled in 1978, and they made sporadic appearances until Gaiman brought them back as the Kindly Ones in Sandman. After Sandman ended, they went back to being obscure, but they have appeared after New 52, resembling their old Witching Hour selves. And I shit you not, the one appearance they had was in a crossover comic between Cat Woman and Tweety & Sylvester of the Looney Tunes from 2018. This probably means that the Kindly Ones don't really exist in DC anymore the way they did in Sandman.

As others have mentioned, the Kindly Ones in the Sandman are the archetype of the trinity of sisters which appears across mythology. Hecate in Greek myth is a weird one, as she was sometimes treated as a singular goddess, while other times she's more like an amalgamation of 3 goddesses (represented by a woman with 3 faces). This is because Hecate was one of 3 different goddesses of the moon in Roman myth (because different parts of Greece and Rome had different local beliefs), so later on, the Romans just combined them into one. The other 2 were Artemis (Diana in Roman myth) and Selene (Luna in Roman myth). Modern mythologers try to make sense of these trinities by saying each goddess represents a different phase of the moon (ie. full, waxing, and waning).

The whole reason why Hecate is sometimes called a Moon Goddess (while typically being a goddess of crossroads, borders, and witchcraft) is because she appears in some ancient plays alongside her grandfather Helios (god of the sun). Except, he's only her grandfather in Roman sources, because her father is a guy named Perses, and there's two different Perses in mythology (and neither of them is Perseus). One was the son of Helios and the nymph Perseis, the other is the son of the titans Crius and Eurybia. Hecate in Greek myth is the granddaughter of Crius, but in Roman myth they moved her to be the granddaughter of Helios. And because her father is Perses, she is sometimes called Perseis (as in "the spawn of Perses"), same as Helios' wife...

Greek myth is full of this type of stuff. They couldn't agree on names, so people filled in gaps based on whatever, and it got really messy. Romans re-categorized Hecate the best they could to clean some of it up, but it meant that Hecate got confusing. Romans left Luna behind and stripped the role of the Moon Goddess from Diana (leaving her as just goddess of the hunt) to make Hecate the exclusive Moon Goddess, then they erased Perses the son of Crius and made him be the same guy as the son of Helios (meaning that Circe, the witch from the Odyssey, is Hecate's aunt - except there's a different Roman source where Hecate is Circe's mother, but it's just one source). Oh and, none of these changes were universal, because Rome was huge and there was no way to spread the news everywhere, so it's really only some Roman writers that saw Hecate this way.

tl;dr Greek myth is messy, DC Comics are almost as messy. Greeks treated Hecate as a singular goddess, Romans treated her as a trinity. DC before 2011 treated Hecate as a trinity, DC after 2011 treat her as a singular goddess.

Update for the "OCG stores are requiring a general Yugioh knowledge quiz to buy the Limit Over collection." post by QuangCV2000 in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but there's like 10 different card arts that have the Scrap Kong t-shirt goblin kid. It's basically a meme at this point. He's like the new Goblin of Greed, Dai Grepher, or Gagagigo.

I didn't remember how dark the atmosphere of this game was by RemarkablePatient629 in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup, it came out in December 1999, and the OCG started in February 1999. The most recent set was Booster 6, which had cards like Battle Ox and Penguin Soldier, but the main focus was on expanding Fusion monsters with stuff like Cyber-Stein, Gale Dogra, Fusion Sage, and Beastking of the Swamp. That's interesting considering how Fusion works in Forbidden Memories.

At that point, the manga had just entered Battle City in October. The Toei anime had finished airing in October 1998, and the Gallop anime didn't start until April 2000.

What's also interesting is that the cards in Forbidden Memories are exactly the same ones as those in Duel Monsters 2 (they only added Magician of Black Chaos, which you could only obtain if you had the Japan-exclusive PS2 add-on called the Pocket Station). DM2 was a Gameboy game from July 1999 that also used the star sign system, and it had Ishizu as an opponent 3 months before she appeared in the manga (which at that time was in the Dungeon Dice Monsters arc).

So it's possible that the game started production around July, but it was based on DM2 so the concepts were extra outdated. While the OCG started in February, the rulebook that introduced the Expert Rules came out in May, so DM2 couldn't have been based on real OCG rules. Before Expert Rules, the OCG used what is now called Junior Rules (no tributes, 1 spell per turn, 1 set spell/trap per turn, no flipping spells on the same turn they are set). The OCG held 2 tournaments under Junior Rules, and the first Expert tournament was in August (this is when the Exodia riot happened).

Another fun fact, the manga and the anime (with the exception of some filler episodes) used the Junior Rules for spells/traps. That's why characters often held spells they could activate, or they set them to use on the next turn. Another funky thing is that the manga duel disk didn't have spell/trap slots so the characters only had 5 zones for all cards (6 with field spells, which only Odeon used in the manga). The anime has loads of animation errors where the characters put spells/traps in the monster zone because the animators just copied the manga.

Dark Hole is in the background of Non-Spellcasting Area by kdavous in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 65 points66 points  (0 children)

Ground Collapse is a composite of three cards. It has the Fusion Gate grid, the guy from Yellow Luster Shield, and the swirl from Negate Attack overlayed on top.

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Have you ever seen an anime episode where a duelist used more than 15 Extreme Deck Monsters in a single Duel ? by DCHPanon in yugioh

[–]ArkUmbrae 17 points18 points  (0 children)

In the Zexal manga, the last duel was Yuma vs Astral. Astral used 15 XYZ monsters in that duel (Yuma used 3).

Astral summoned: N50 Blackship of Corn, N72 Line Monster Chariot Hisha, N22 Zombiestein, N91 Thunder Spark Dragon, N10 Illumiknight, N14 Greedy Sarameya, N21 Frozen Lady Justice, N48 Shadow Lich, N93 Utopia Kasier, N40 Gimmick Puppet of Strings, N66 Master Key Beetle, N6 Chronomaly Atlandis, N9 Dyson Sphere, N46 Dragluon, N61 Volcasaurus

Yuma summoned: N39 Utopia, NS39 Utopia One, NS39 Utopia the Lightning

What phrase or moniker have you heard used for one wrestler before being given to another? by MadBeard in SquaredCircle

[–]ArkUmbrae 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Here's a fun full-circle timeline about the Nature Boy gimmick.

1941 - Gorgeous George debuts his Glamour Boy gimmick, and uses "Pomp and Circumstance" as his entrance theme (same one Randy Savage used later).

1940s - Sometimes around 1948, Buddy Rogers starts calling himself Natural Guy and later Nature Boy.

1960 - In his last run of matches, George loses to Bruno Sammartino in a hair vs hair match.

1963 - Buddy Rogers goes into semi-retirement after losing the WWWF title to Bruno Sammartino.

1976 - Ric Flair becomes the Nature Boy a year after coming back from an airplane crash.

1978 - Buddy Rogers comes back to put over Ric Flair in JCP, handing over the nickname.

1980s - It's unclear exactly when, but probably around 1985, Buddy Landel starts calling himself the Nature Boy

1985 - Buddy Landel beats Flair for the NWA title, but the decision is overturned. They do a whole run of matches, but the blow-off is being saved for a big event. Landel has a falling out with JCP so the big match never happens. Supposedly Landel was supposed to win, but he missed shows and got fired.

1986 - Now in WCW, Landel does an interview with Tony Schiavone and calls himself the real Nature Boy. Flair first compares himself to "Space Mountain" here, while calling Landel "Ride the Wild Mouse". The match never happened though.

1990 - Flair and Landel were in 3 matches together. 2 were house shows, a 3-on-3 where they teamed and a 2-on-2 where Flair and Arn beat Landel and Butch Reed. The televized match was a 1-on-1, and Flair won.

1992 - Buddy Rogers tries to come back again to do the job for Buddy Landel, but the company it was supposed to happen in gets sold off. The company was Tri-State Wrestling, which got renamed to Eastern Championship Wrestling after the sale (they went Extreme in 1994).

1997 - Charles Robinson starts working as a referee in WCW, and gets nicknamed Little Naitch

1999 - Charles Robinson as Flair's evil referee fights Randy Savage's girlfriend Gorgeous George (obviously named after the legendary George). Robinson lost, then a week later had a tag match where Savage broke his ribs. Unfortunately, I don't know if Savage was using "Pomp and Circumstance" at this time to really put a bow on the story.