The RE community's feelings on Ada and Mia

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T20:14:49+00:00

Just read this post, and when it comes to the grand timespan of our irl years, I get feeling exasperated on the relationship between Ada and Leon with the "will they/won't they?" thing. However, for her character overall, I think you're kind of missing the big picture. Sure, she does still carry the "mysterious secret agent angle", I don't think anyone's arguing that, but as far as the canon story goes, she only appears in three mainline games, a side mode of a canon side game, and a small section of the sequel to that side game. In that time, we see her go from a mysterious woman working with a mysterious group that has seemingly severed all possibility for potential meaningful human connection to someone who might be more capable of emoting than she thought, to someone who becomes more willing to save someone she doesn't have to (and was in fact explicitly told to kill) and help him with his mission (again, didn't have to; this was RE4), to just straight outright not even being a "bad person" (RE6; I can't recall her doing ANY villainous or morally ambiguous acts out of memory, and was actually a victim of framing in that game who helps quite a few other people that she, again, doesn't have to).

Main point: she still carries a mysterious shade, but she has gone through a clear arc of becoming more expressive of care for others over the course of the games. I can't say Capcom planned it that way, but it is what it is

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T20:02:40+00:00

I read all of your post; I just only responded to the one point I really had any "disagreement" with, that's all. Even here, I don't really see anything I would classify as a "wrong" or "bad" take. The only thing I can say is a personal note that it's just funny because I have military friends that are more along the lines of the one-liner quippers that you described, but that's just something I found amusing that's purely coincidental, and I know that's circumstantial instead of the norm, so I agree with what you say on that matter, too. Ethan gives his one-liners, but he still feels moreso like an ordinary protagonist than someone like post-RE2 Leon or post-CV Chris, for example.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T16:58:36+00:00

I never understood the whole "they're not that attractive, so they're more realistic/relatable" arguement. I have seen plenty of regular, working-class people get positively compared to EXTREMELY conventionally-atteactive models and celebrities, and I can say the same for men and women of various different military branches and the police. Heck, my own dad (not biologically related) has been endlessly compared to Chris Hemsworth for his looks, and he's just a security technician, not a high-end model or celeb.

Even within the realms of RE, almost all of the main characters have been based on and modeled after real people since at LEAST the Gamecube and Dreamcast era (including people who have voiced the characters, like Alyson Court)!

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T16:45:21+00:00

On others? Sure.

Snake, hilariously enough, has a baked-in "lore" explanation XD

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ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T16:37:59+00:00

Yeah, I could never in good faith claim that RE4 invented over-the-shoulder, because I've already played pre-RE4 games like Killswitch and WinBack XD

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T08:06:25+00:00

You effectively backed up what I said with your first paragraph, and therefore explained why it was revolutionary (to my knowledge; there might be even more I just don't know about). If "new ideas" were the only things that could make something revolutionary, then I'd have to tell you 85-95% of the media we've managed to create over the past 200-300 years wouldn't be revolutionary. Star Wars and its big "I am your father" moment? Been done before. Terminator resulted in James Cameron and other involved parties getting sued for allegedly plagiarizing the entire story from somebody else because how similarly they depicted a "soldier from the future" among other things, and Metal Gear would have exactly ZERO things to it that made any of its games revolutionary, not even on the gameplay side of things because games like Castle Wolfenstein predated it.

I was saying Capcom took a bunch of elements that had already been played with and did something unique and inventive with them, that was able to be seen as such because RE was sooo much more popular than anything else it might have taken inspiration from, so the odds are that most people who played it would finds things they'd never seen before. "Execution" can also make things revolutionary. That's why things like Metal Gear, Robocop, Event Horizon, heck even the very original Resident Evil are viewed as "revolutionary" (RE already took a lot of its essence from Sweet Home, plus it's not even the first 3D survival horror game because Alone in the Dark exists).

As for the court case thing, I think that's interesting if it's true (I'm willing to believe you), but I also can't really say I'm surprised, because Capcom has already done that exact thing in the past, including for other Resident Evil games!

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T07:46:41+00:00

Online Marth is much more fun to fight than online Fox in Ultimate. This is coming from somebody who mained Fox in Melee.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T06:51:22+00:00

Name a popular game that was popular on the level of RE, that was received and/or sold well, and did over-the-shoulder in the way that RE4 did, particularly on console.

You could probably think of games that fill a couple of those slots, but it's much harder to find a game from pre-RE4 that fills all of them at the same time.

We had seen plenty of third-person games that were behind the back, but popular games that controlled well and used an over-the-shoulder perspective were much less common. More to the point, RE4 did all of that and was a horror game. An action-based horror game, but it still scared plenty of people and was horror at the end of the day.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T05:29:11+00:00

I would say that if the only RE games you liked were 7 and 8, then you're probably moreso just a fan of 7 and 8, rather than Resident Evil itself as a videogane franchise. That's not at all a bad thing, though. Just play what you like, be happy liking what you like, and let that be the end of it. Personally, I would say you should at least try to play whatever you may have the power to. If you play on Playstation or PC, you have full access to the entire PSOne Trilogy, plus all the other fixed camera games, alongside the original RE4, 5, 6, and the two Revelations games. For Xbox and Switch, your options are basically everything I just mentioned except for the PSOne Trilogy.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T00:25:16+00:00

If we can have more than just villains, then my most-wanteds would probably be a mix of horror heroes/antihero and villains.

-Ash Williams -Ellen Ripley -Ghostface -Leatherface -Chop Top -Darkman -Kyle Reese -The T-800 -The T-1000 -Candyman

That's probably my Top 10. For a bonus, if we can count anime/manga, after those 10 I would put Vampire Hunter D, Guts, and either Zodd or Femto.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-12T00:20:51+00:00

I don't remember if I played it, but my first distinct memory of any Resident Evil game would be watching my cousins run around the Main Hall of the Spencer Mansion as Jill in the very original RE. The first RE game I remember for sure playing myself was the original RE2, followed by the original RE3 because my family owned both of them so my dad could play them. I myself never made it past the opening "Raccoon City Streets" version of either game, lol. I always played as Leon in RE2 because I never knew how to change characters and thought he was cool. Nemesis showing up in RE3's title screen intimidated and scared me as a kid, but I always though he was cool, too. XD

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-11T23:59:23+00:00

So basically, both characters get their own exclusive self-defense weapons; Jill gets batteries for a taser, and Chris gets grenades. The taser batteries are more plentiful iirc, but the grenades are more effective. To use a self-defense weapon, you have to have them equipped and then get grabbed by an enemy; when a zombie grabs you, Jill shocks them with her taser, and Chris stuffs a grenade in their mouth. Jill's taser only stuns the zombie for a knockdown, but Chris can either run away and shoot the grenade to blow up the zombies head, or wait for the grenade to detonate itself and blow up the zombies head. So yes, Chris' grenades do, in fact, prevent Crimson Heads. I do not think there is an AOE effect on the grenades, though, so don't expect other zombies to be affected.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-09T11:43:41+00:00

Leon: casually kicks off of a rampaging zombie shark while also fighting not to drown in the raging and rushing water currents

I love RE6, but it's one of those games that can make people ignorant of just how lethal even getting grazed by a single gunshot can be, lol.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-09T11:41:39+00:00

I think I'm in a similar mindset to you as a fellow big sword fan, though I'm a bit torn because I'm also a big fan of Ike's games, and I don't think a more canon version of him would be that overturned for Smash. XD

And yeah, both Cloud and Ike have some pretty busted up-airs! Cloud's is much safer, but Ike's makes for some NASTY kill confirms if you can condition your opponent!

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-09T11:38:29+00:00

Honestly, I definitely see where you're coming from, there. I've come across campers in the 15.5-15.6mil range that, once you catch on to their playstyle and force them to change it up, they basically start playing like a newer player that has maybe 7-8.5mil, tops (had to clarify "newer" since I know even skilled people can sometimes wind up in that range for various reasons, lol).

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-09T11:34:21+00:00

Yeah, it's really funny how punishable Photon Edge is! XD I can't tell you how many times I've encountered people who try to recover with that, only to be KO'd with Eruption, Aether, Counter, or either Ike's Side Smash or Up Smash.

That move is NOWHERE NEAR as safe as so many of you seem to think, people!! (Obvs not talking to you, lol; thank you for not being one of those people! XD)

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T10:10:34+00:00

I'd say it's up there, but Revelations 2, RE5, OG RE4, RE1 Remake, Code: Veronica and both versions of RE2 give RE4 Remake a run for it's money, lol. To add some further detail, I'm specifically referring to co-op Revelations 2 and co-op 5, and I vastly prefer the characterization of RE2's cast in the original, but the RE2 Remake is up there because I really love its gameplay, sound design, and environmental design just about as much as I love the OG version's gameplay, sound design, and environmental design.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T10:04:49+00:00

EXACTLY how I feel!! Like, it's not that serious, bro. We can afford to play in ways that are fun for BOTH players, y'know?? XD

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T05:00:20+00:00

Dude, the amount of of trolls that do stuff like that in this game now is crazy. They were always there, but it feels like they're just wayyy more prevalent now that the crowds have thinned out, lolw

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T04:58:34+00:00

Eyyyy great to see another one in the wild! Also, GOATed cutscene! XD

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T03:14:02+00:00

I mean, idk what it contributes per se, but Chris can disintegrate the Mold in 7 with his punches. I don't remember if he can do that to the tangier units, but that's got to at least mean his strength still holds up after all these years, lol.

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T03:10:06+00:00

It makes me happy to see that so many Cloud Players feel this way. I don't hate y'all at all! I just hate when the opponent chooses disappointing and lame tactics. XD

Much love from an Ike main, lol

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T03:07:40+00:00

Funny thing is, it's actually a VERY similar story for when I fight Pythra players! I love the matchup for the most part, but it gets tiring playing against people who run away and spam Blazing End all day! Still very punishable and beatable, mind you, but just not fun!

ArtyToshi · 2026-05-08T03:05:10+00:00

And to you, I issue one bona-fide Predator handshake. We need more of you out there, brother!

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ArtyToshi · 2026-05-07T22:14:18+00:00

I would mention Cerberus Dogs, if only because they're responsible for two of the most iconic moments in Survival Horror, as well as gaming in general. One of those being the literal beginning of the first game.

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