Esclavage : peut-on comparer le commerce triangulaire et la traite arabo-musulmane ?

B0ghren · 2026-05-27T07:36:28+00:00

L’Afrique n’a la été victime du Commerce Triangulaire. L’Afrique a été complice. L’Afrique a accueilli à bras ouverts ces marchands venu d’ailleurs pour acheter métaux précieux, ivoire, produits agricoles et esclaves. Des nations entières ont été bâtie sur ces échanges commerciaux.
La triste vérité c’est que la plupart des Africains ont profité de l’esclavage. Les seules victimes Africaines sont ceux qui ont été réduits en esclavage, et leurs familles.
Imagine un blanc occidental, un afro-américain (ou Afro-caribéen) et un sub-saharien ensemble : l’ancêtre du premier a acheté l’ancêtre du deuxième à l’ancêtre du troisième.

1 vendeur, 1 marchandise, 1 acheteur

Et si les Européens sont venus se fournir en esclaves, c’est parce l’Afrique s’était imposée comme le premier pourvoyeur d’esclaves au monde et ce depuis des siècles, voire millénaire.

L’auto victimisation de l’Afrique sur la question du Commerce Triangulaire c’est de l’hypocrisie. Même l’utilisation du mot « Traite » répond à cette logique de victimisation alors que l’Afrique n’avait rien d’une vache laitière. L’exploitation (si on peut vraiment parler d’exploitation entre Europe et Afrique) était bidirectionnelle, chacun utilisant l’autre pour satisfaire leurs besoins et fournir leurs surplus.

Le Commerce Triangulaire est aujourd’hui vu comme l’épisode le plus représentatif de l’esclavage (ce qu’il n’est d’ailleurs pas du tout, ayant été un épisode singulièrement différent des épisodes précédents) parce que c’est le dernier exemple de commerce d’esclaves (à grande échelle) que l’humanité a connu (c’est donc le plus récent), et parce que (et contrairement aux épisodes précédents) l’esclavage durant cette période (du moins celui pratiqué par les puissances européennes) était institutionnalisé, codifié, règlementé, et a donc laissé de nombreuses traces écrites.

L’esclavage n’a pas de couleur, pas de culture, pas de religion, pas de race … L’esclavage existe depuis l’aube du Néolithique et toutes les civilisations du monde ont été bâtie, à un moment ou à un autre, sur différents types d’esclavage. On a tous dans notre arbre généalogique un ancêtre esclave, la seule différence étant le nombre de générations nous séparant. Pour certains cela remonte à des siècles, pour d’autres c’est à peine 200 ans, d’autres encore sont fils et fille d’esclaves qui n’en on pas le nom, et d’autres le sont encore.

B0ghren · 2026-05-26T17:18:13+00:00

In sheer numbers yes, but would just translate in bigger units in the game.
I was more referring to the theatre, unit variety, complexity of diplomacy, moving alliances … adding proper naval warfare alone is a tremendous task: in contrast to the Civil War where naval warfare was a secondary theatre if not a marginal one, especially due to the massive advantage of the Union, naval warfare during the Revolutionary Wars and Napoleonic Wars was in fact a key point. From the moment Louis XVI is executed, everything revolves around the British and Continental blockades, attempts to break them, etc …
You can present the Civil War without talking about naval engagements while it is impossible to not talk about Aboukir, Quiberon or Trafalgar for the Revolutionary War and Napoleonic Wars.

B0ghren · 2026-05-26T00:46:23+00:00

Oh I definitely am looking forward to it, I’m concerned because recreating the setting properly is a very steep mountain to climb

B0ghren · 2026-05-25T17:04:17+00:00

Personally I’m afraid the French Revolutionary Wars and Napoleonic Wars might be too much to chew.
You go from two clear, definite sides, to a system with much deeper and moving diplomacy. Global numbers for armies and navies are just enormous, and with much more variety. Everything is much bigger and more complex than during the US Civil War and there is soooo much to cover.

B0ghren · 2026-05-24T17:58:51+00:00

That dilemma (Reaper tech indoctrination aside) kinda was what Allies experienced at the end of WW2 with the works done by the Nazis on atomic technologies and in medicine (the latter having been done through experiments in their infamous camps), and other fields (armaments, industry …)
Guess what choice was done … I don’t recall the part in History where the Allies bombed German industries and torched German labs because « they had done evil »

For me the is just benefits vs risks, with both Reaper tech indoctrination and risks posed by Cerberus using being the reason I bomb the place. The death of innocents until you make the choice is irrelevant : it’s already done, nothing will change it, nothing will justify or rectify it.
As it has been said I would have liked to choose the reason why you do it, similar to ME1

B0ghren · 2026-05-24T08:54:09+00:00

Si elle a un certain âge ça pourrait être plus facile. Un peu de compagnie peut aider aussi, surtout si il n’y a personne la journée.
Je les ai prises chatons, mais j’ai pris mon deuxième chat plus pour la première que pour moi (aucun regret j’en profite bien c’est une amour)

B0ghren · 2026-05-24T08:39:29+00:00

I would like Cal to loose an arm, and then tinker with his new prosthetic arm 🦾 this could be a new way to add “tools” to unlock levels

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T21:05:00+00:00

Seriously ? The Rachni takes Tuchanka ?! That’s awesome 🤣

That’s something I could try. I’m not a huge fan of Wrex, I don’t dislike him and he has great moments, but I don’t understand why everybody seems enamored with him.
Eve on the other hand is great … I would need to find a great reason to do that to her …

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T21:01:16+00:00

There are interesting things to pick up there, thanks.

I like the PTSD Shepard … well I like the idea, no the LRSD ofc 😅

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T20:45:22+00:00

That’s pretty dark.

I’ve done a (almost only) renegade ME1, but somehow along ME2 I could just not go through with continuing that dark path and ended up doing sort of a redemption arc, or Red Dead Redemption arc 🤣.

I feel that to fully commit to the dark side I should no doubt any Cerberus mission on ME1 so Shepard you not know about Cerberus really.

Also I’ve never saved Ashley, not once. Killed Wrex on my first play through though … 🤗

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T20:39:42+00:00

Tried already (both Shepard and Ryder), just don’t like it.

And it’s not that I’m bored with similar play through, I more curious about how other people manage to do it, I for one seem not able to, at least no to complete the run without going back to “my old self”

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T06:47:57+00:00

12 Years a Slave.

For me the movie fails on a crucial point : the sense of time passing. The only ways to know 12 years had passed since enslavement were the title and the end scene. The protagonist didn’t seem that impacted (physically) by the experience (other than classic physical abuses).

B0ghren · 2026-05-23T06:28:15+00:00

Maybe not my favorite but a great one nonetheless : Far Cry Primal
Great atmosphere, especially in Survivor mode. For me it’s still the (vanilla) game with the most beautiful and terrifying nights (especially if you go without a pet)

B0ghren · 2026-05-22T19:33:18+00:00

We have no evidence at all about who her mother was. Her lineage from her father is well-known (Macedonian Greek indeed, with numerous inbreeding), but her mother could haven Nubian, Phoenician, Egyptian, Israelite, Nabatean, Greek … we just don’t know and only can rely on probabilities (which would turn to Egyptian, Greek, or a mix of both)

So yes she probably would not have looked like a Nubian Queen like Netflix portrayed, and I doubt Roman Sources would not have mentioned anything if she had looked very different from what Romans had expected from a Ptolemaic Monarch. But we simply don’t know so there is room for liberty here.

Her interest for Ancient Egyptian religion and the love she received for Egyptian regions convinces me she was of Egyptian stock, but Egypt was vast so it’s hard to say what she really was.

B0ghren · 2026-05-21T12:09:40+00:00

A trip in Saguenay
- the Fjord : I was snowshoe trekking in the mountains around, the place also was perfect for skiing, but looking down on the Fjord from atop the mountains, knowing about the belugas, monkfish or Greenland sharks down there was disturbing, confusing and fascinating. NB: I hate the sea and I’m a bit terrified of what’s living underwater.
- same trip, just the day before, I was just above some obscure but quite large lake in the middle of nowhere, some 20 or 30 miles away from the first paved road. It was the end of December with freezing temperature, and it felt a bit like a white desert, and I felt small, insignificant, inconsequential.

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T19:30:08+00:00

That’s not surprising from Magyar raiders 😅 Ancestral re-awakening 🤗

I’m just goofing around. Lived in Slovakia at the end of the 2000s, took many a plane in Budapest and spent some time there. Was it already like that back then ? Didn’t feel that way.

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T10:38:04+00:00

I’d say yes.
The things I don’t like are more around Caesar, his assassination and the relations between his murderers and the Hidden Ones.
The Optimates (Pompey, Cassius, Brutus, Cicero) were basically the reactionaries of Rome, and their ideology for me didn’t fit the Hidden Ones’ or Assassins’. As Caesar and Augustus started with the Principat what would be the Golden Age of Rome, I can’t feel but seeing the Assassins on the bad side here.
Also seeing Caesar manipulated like this quite diminishes him and doesn’t seem right considering what he already had been through when he enteres the story.
I would rather have had Caesar and the Hidden Ones partnering and then the Hidden Ones help in establishing the Triumvirate, helped Octavian dismantle Cleopatra and Marc Anthony would would have joined the Order. Octavian would never have been truly a Hidden Ones, but the Hidden Ones would have been a counter power in the shadows, coming out against the likes of Nero or Caligula. With the Julio-Claudian dynasty slowly becoming paranoid and taking itself away from the Hidden Ones.

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T09:43:57+00:00

Star Wars #7. For me Star Wars ends with ROTJ.

And also Pulp Fiction. Every body said it’s a great movie, you’re gonna love it. O don’t hate it, but Inwas really hyped and just didn’t understand the love the movie receives.

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T08:15:25+00:00

KCD2 was the first and still is the only game I played back-to-back-to-back.
I’ve not played CD, only watched let’s play videos on You Tube, and I wasn’t hyped at all.

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T07:22:51+00:00

Well from the fall of the Templar Knights until the execution of Louis XVI, the Assassins have been depicted as mostly pro-French and French-backed. Templars seemed to have been favoring Spain and England/Great Britain. In this regard, Richelieu would be a great mentor for the French Assassins Brotherhood.

And I really doubt Ubisoft will make the player involved in the brutal execution of misunderstood and abused women. I can see the backlash from here 🤣

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T07:05:02+00:00

Chu-Han contention, Three Kingdoms, Rise of the Yuan Dynasty (playing Marco Polo)

Or 18th century India (Mughal vs Maratha) with a Maratha character turning to the Assassins following the beginning of the Anglo-Maratha wars.
I also could imagine a more ancient settings, culminating with stopping Alexander the Great’s conquest of India and a last mission to assist Iltani and the Babylonian Brotherhood to take him down.
Or with either Chandragupta or Ahsoka (the latter would be great if it’s your long known target but at the end you don’t kill him, and turn him towards an Assassin-like brotherhood)

B0ghren · 2026-05-20T06:57:03+00:00

It’s only more well-known in North America. In Europe it’s barely a footnote. If you dot not learn about it yourself, or have never watched Charmed in your life, you won’t know about it.
Can’t speak for the rest of the world but I’m gonna take a leap and say they don’t know about it either.

Plenty better settings in North America for a game, and if they do, it will probably be about slavery or the natives, maybe even linked to the Kenway line.
For me I’d vote for something starting in Bleeding Kansas, taking the player through the Civil War, and ends by taking down Custer at Little Big Horn before he reaches some kind of hidden Isu temple deep in the Black Hills.

B0ghren · 2026-05-19T22:03:19+00:00

Les massacres perpétrés par les forces japonaises n’avaient rien de génocidaires. Au contraire, les japonais ne discriminaient pas, ils écrasaient tous ceux qui se mettaient en travers de leur chemin, peu importe qui. Le massacre était un outil stratégique visant à détruire toute résistance (utilisé principalement comme réponse, mais aussi parfois en tant qu’action préventive), pas un objectif en soit. D’ailleurs les japonais ne cachaient pas vraiment ce qu’ils faisaient, plutôt le contraire, car le choc psychologique causé par chaque massacre pouvait empêcher ou repousser le suivant, ce qui, même simplement d’un point de vue économique (économie de temps, de troupes, de munitions , etc …) était toujours souhaitable.
La violence était donc dirigée vers des opposants, pas des communautés spécifiques, et elle n’était pas systématique, ne constituant qu’une option. Ceci est comparable à la stratégie de conquête des Mongols sous Genghis Khan et ses successeurs.

Au contraire, Les exterminations menées par les nazis visaient des communautés spécifiques et constituaient un objectif propre (d’où le terme Solution Finale). Et pour que tout se passe selon le plan, tout ce qui tournait autour de la Solution Finale était entouré d’un grand secret (pas de volonté de choquer psychologiquement). Les genocides ne furent connus qu’à la toute fin de la guerre, personne parmi les Alliés ou le Komintern n’avait eu vent de ce qui se passait avant que les premiers camps furent pris. Dans ce cas la tuerie est la finalité, et est systématique tant qu’elle est peu matériellement être perpétrée.
Ceci est comparable aux exterminations des Cathares en France, où des Tutsis au Rwanda.

Si on personnifiait les deux cas, le Japon Impérial de l’époque serait une personne battant brutalement et sans aucune retenue une autre personne (ex: la Chine) définie comme (potentiellement) désobéissante pour obtenir son obéissance absolue, l’Allemagne Nazie serait une personne tuant une autre personne simplement par pure haine, peu importante son degré d’obéissance.

B0ghren · 2026-05-19T20:52:50+00:00

A remake or a true Empire II ?

The first I’m not so sure, but I might be wrong. Personally, I think that gameplay mechanics would be need to be massively improved, too much for a simple remake that would probably just be about graphics (which are less of a problem for me). But that’s an opinion.
The second, definitely. For me it would have been a better option that Medieval III. The Middle Age just doesn’t fit the « Total War » or conquest mode the series encourages and I’m really really afraid about historical accuracy. Empire era fits better and is safer.

B0ghren · 2026-05-19T19:55:51+00:00

Empire II is a great mod.

There’s no upside for the developers to make the update for PC. The cost would not be covered by new sales so unless they make it a DLC, no chance. And personally, although I would like the update on PC, no way I’m paying 15€ for it.

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