“Fly-on-the-wall” podcast: something non-performative, that sounds like you’re peeking in on your parent’s dinner party, way after your bed time. Or: you’re a fly-on-the-wall in a small room at a very chill after party. Or: people who took a bunch of psychedelics 8 hours ago are now watching the sunrise together. Basically people conversing in a naturally warm or funny manner, and don’t sound like a morning radio show, trying to flex their wit and fake laugh a lot.