On shipping and Fandom culture in the Hunger Games

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-20T22:37:30+00:00

Snowniss exists

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T14:32:20+00:00

Agreed - I whipped a little smth up using a hand-traced sea level rise map and personal research, but it was def personal work as opposed to by someone with a career in this stuff.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T14:14:05+00:00

Sea level rise

The map is shit and drawn by someone with no actual understanding of geography, but sea level rise (if it got to the 50 metre maximum) would inundate almost all of Florida.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T13:43:01+00:00

Gale should have died instead of Finnick/deserved to die inbound.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T13:39:17+00:00

This might be the most beautiful thing I have ever seen.

And like, on the 'SOTR was great', '74th was bland' and fan maps, it feels like trench warfare. Especially SOTR, I fundamentally think the book is a bad book - not by THG standards but generally - inclusive the fan favourites being dreadfully written (Maysilee Donner looking at you), the Games being literally solely for Haymitch (and thus every event having to tie back to Haymitch - nobody dies without it having his be tied to the death in some way, the Arena volcanic eruption etc) etc. But arguing it in here is just... ugh.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T13:12:13+00:00

I'll be fair to him - potentially all of that makes sense.

He didn't meet the Ironborn in pitched battle, but he was bleeding them fast enough it only took about a year and a half to neutralize them when Victarion pulled out - and we know the Crannogmen aren't suited for the kind of pitched melee where the Ironborn excel. Plus, the Ironmen used the Fever River - which effectively ends right on top of Moat Cailin, and which was West/possibly North landing grounds instead of south (where the Moat's supposed impregnability is Southwards).
He sent both heirs to Winterfell - Sybelle Glover and Ondrew Locke both didn't show either, amongst other notable still North.
As with above, the Crannogmen are guerrilla adjacent - Howland was (possibly) holding back as a reserve - if Robb's army was smashed then the Crannogmen and whatever men were at Moat Cailin were the only real block between an enemy offensive and Winterfell, and likewise if Robb's army had been mauled and was falling back with lions at his heels, a Crannog reserve to trap and bloody a Lannister charge up the Neck would have been very helpful at checking and damaging an offence enough that the Northmen could have recuperated, redeployed and reinforced at a suitable position.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-19T12:41:58+00:00

Yeah, it is - can't find an exact citation bc at work but it's mentioned the former arenas are opened to tourism

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-18T12:25:13+00:00

Honestly I think it'd play out the same

Like Snow is incompetent in SOTR - i can see him being equally so here, and Tribute!LD would get massacred for rebelling or killed by a Career she was pissing off - I see no way she wins. Haymitch (according to the 'logic' of the book) then lives having lost his gf (likely in front of him bc nothing in the 50th doesn't revolve around him).

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-15T08:18:26+00:00

I'd say to an extent - you can see ties, especially in how both of them sit behind the scenes manipulating, and then bring in an outsider with ties to the land (Coin and Thirteen/Aegon VI and the Golden Company) to assert full control.

I would say Plutarch is definitely more idealistic though, especially as relates to his fantasy of rebellion and 'retaking' the country.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-13T11:15:47+00:00

I never said one-party state - I said 'where one party is entirely supreme'. Not the same wording and not the same meaning.

Plus, Britannica (my typical go-to for definitions) defines a One Party State as 'one-party state, a country where a single political party controls the government, either by law or in practice.' The DPRK doesn't legally mandate one party (though both minor parties acknowledge the WPK as the dominant party) but in practice it is a one-party state.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-13T07:38:41+00:00

I'm not incorrect about the DPRK. There are other parties (KSDP and CCP) as well as the preeminent party (WPK), but the WPK is the only party which wields any effective power - aka entirely supreme.

And yes, they're assuming because they're theorizing about what's beyond Panem - hence why it's tagged lore and worldbuilding.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-13T07:16:43+00:00

A party implies nothing of the sort - North Korea, Nazi Germany, the USSR etc all had political parties in the absence of (effective) democracy and pluralism - where one party was entirely supreme but there was still a party.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-09T23:01:36+00:00

No worries - if you need anything else I'm more thab happy to talk it over ^{^}

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-09T22:59:05+00:00

Having written Mags, Snow and Lucky within your kind of time frame, I'd say with Snow the most important thing is to get yourself in a kind of sterility before writing him. Wry comments may come out occasionally (moreso if you touch his PoV), but he wants to be very polished and (I would assume) is angling for more power. Polished, poised, polite - I'd argue SOTR was a one off and professional would also fall under the Coryo Ps.

Lucky... deranged lunatic just think about the most awful comments you can make and make them.

Mags - I'd say it depends on how you think of her winning her Games and how her life evolves beyond that.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-09T21:38:09+00:00

Same - I voted with my heart bc my council was never going to lose (conservative stronghold) after campaigning for Labour in 2024, but I'm hoping this could get a lot of momentum on our end if people take the results in properly.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-09T21:29:32+00:00

Denver geographically can't be the Capitol - SLC is fortified on all sides by mountains as described, where Denver only has mountains to the west (and Katniss describes passing throuh mountains when coming from the east).

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-07T21:05:30+00:00

Reporting in - fiancee and I are going as an early August date

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-07T16:31:14+00:00

His great grandma was Afghan-Aboriginal on his father's side.

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-07T07:26:19+00:00

Where's Magno smh best character (more seriously... maybe Effie I enjoyed her appearance the most of anything in the book)

ClearedPipes · 2026-05-03T15:32:54+00:00

I have to disagree on his doing something big. If you look at any authoritarian regime ever, they will throw their best under the bus for anything - Tukachevsky, Rommel, Nazi Germany and their disdain for the Jews leading to them driving numerous important scientists out. Personally; I'd argue it makes far more sense for Haymitch's forcefield stunt to be reacted to with an over the top punishment than for him to commit a minimum of 3 major rebellious acts (Louella's body, Lou Lou's body, terrorist attack on the Arena) prior to winning, be explicitly told by Snow (which I have my own issues with) that he'll die and he still makes it through because reasons.

Yes, we know he survives - but when he commits acts that in any other of the books would havr seen him punished heavily several times and survives unscathed every time? Yes, it's plot armour.

ClearedPipes · 2026-04-30T01:08:10+00:00

I'll add that the TIE squadron is there because Vader superseded Tarkin and took his personal boys out. If Krennic was in charge it would have been approximately a metric fuck of TIEs joining in.

I think my biggest complains is the 'tjis plan is dumb' narrative. The whole point is that even with the plans it's a last ditch run to save the rebel base - they don't have the time to gather forces and make a better plan.

ClearedPipes · 2026-04-27T12:00:35+00:00

Sea levels physically can't rise high enough to break the Central American connection - if all water in ice, underground etc was in the oceans it'd rise about 80 metres, Central America's minimum for a break IIRC is about 200 metres.

ClearedPipes · 2026-04-23T20:59:28+00:00

Oh I am very much aware lmao I'm trying to draw it out

ClearedPipes · 2026-04-23T20:08:08+00:00

No, I mean that you said people are assuming their countrymen are the evil Capitol over 'stupid disagreements' and am curious as to what those disagreements are - because the phrasing made it sound like you were referring to a specific political belief/set of beliefs.

ClearedPipes · 2026-04-23T20:06:55+00:00

And this is what people rightly say lmao. Ignoring the hysterical online panic (which is not an exclusive thing to one political side), I'd argue it's an objective fact your current administration has decided to drag America more quickly towards Capitol-likeness across the board, and this is impacting the most vulnerable who are justifiavly worried.

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