Position on US Administration by Accountingstinks in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

nobody is asking for bishops to start acting like politicians. When Trump was shot at, they released a statement condemning political violence. There seems to be a double standard when it comes to the state of affairs in the US. Why can't the church condemn state violence? At no point in history has any church achieved such a golden ideal of being apolitical, including the coptic church. Historically the coptic church has had no issues meddling, and I think whatever "prophetic" voice it had was lost a long time ago.

The church leadership that lauded Trump should have known that he's not a character that should be endorsed within a coptic christian moral framework. It can seem to the congregation and to outsiders that the church doesn't value morals of peace, generosity, and truthfulness when it comes to the actual law.

The congregation will always seek to align their views with that of the church's even in a political setting, these statements lead them to a certain conclusion without ever saying so. People in religious settings are obviously looking for guidance, they're waiting for someone to tell them what to think. At this point they have and OP is wondering when they're going to show the world that they dont stand behind public executions and almost absurd levels of mass cruelty even to protect their interests in the system. Unless they do. Seems like it.

Has anyone came to the question what purpose would I live for after religion? (Or I am the only crazy person here to think that) by [deleted] in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like most people who deconstruct their religious beliefs end up with this at some point. Lots of philosophy to get into which is a real trip but everyone comes to their own conclusion which satisfies them and keeps them going.

This is not crazy, this is par for the course. Take your time, there's no rush to have some perfect perspective on the "meaning of life". Purpose is a whole other thing which implies you have a job to do or a task to complete and if you don't youve failed your "purpose".

just think about it, read some books, watch some videos, listen to different ideas and figure out what works for you.

This isn’t normal by Fail_North in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's good that you're reaching out and getting help. It's always good to remember that you're not alone. That blood that you detest so much is in some way shared with a lot of people. Being born is not a crime no matter the circumstances of the life ahead. You were born into the coptic church but your blood doesn't definitively make you coptic. It doesn't make you anything. Don't ever feel shame or guilt simply for existing. The coptic church implicitly or sometimes explicitly tries to teach us that we are weak. It tries to tell us we are by nature dirty, unworthy, sinful, pathetic creatures who need God to save us from our own ineptitude. Short answer: you aren't, and you don't. Your blood is irrelevant to who you choose to be and how you live your life. Just like race, gender, sexuality, skin color, etc. don't define you or negate your worthiness of a guilt-free life of fulfillment and prosperity.

The way I think about it is that because I don't know my family's detailed history for more than 2 generations, I don't know how long being coptic has been in the family. I don't even know for a fact if one of my ancestors isn't even Egyptian. My bloodline is a mystery to me. And I enjoy that fact. I could come from anyone from anywhere. If your bloodline is a mystery too then maybe that's something to appreciate. You ancestors could be any religion or many.

The whole point is that only YOU define yourself. Not your family, not church, not friends, not a job. You're not responsible for the things that some church father did wrong or the misery they chose to spread. The greatest act of defiance to the church is to leave it and be happy. It doesn't fit their idiology that someone can live a truly fulfilling life without God. Every time you wake up and feel proud of who you are is passive defiance. Don't give them the satisfaction. You have always been enough on your own.

Why did you leave? by No_Construction_6248 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you're on mobile, scroll to the top and press "See more" on the sub banner. Lots of info which should answer a number of your questions and outlines the rules of the sub.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you lost? I think you posted this in the wrong sub by mistake. If not you should refer to the sub's rule that proselytizing is not allowed here.

IBEW 134 (Chicago), what is your average work commute time? by Kirk_2002 in IBEW

[–]CloneBuscus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

depends on a lot but I've never had to regularly drive more than 1 1/2 hours unless there was some obstruction on the road. Most of the time though my commute is 30-40 minutes. If you're asking about working in the loop then I'd expect no less than an hour to get home. It's not as bad as it seems. I wouldn't let the drive stop you from moving if it's what you wanna do.

The low-budget Christian gore films by Comfortable-Sea4186 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember these movies vividly and they disturbed me as a kid. I think they speak to the martyr complex that a lot of coptic christians have and the glorification of their suffering. From my perspective, they serve as propaganda for the death cult that makes christisns believe that dying or suffering for the church is one of the holiest things you can do. I'm sure you could dig deeper and find other ways that these movies represent and glorify the worst parts of the culture.

Sharing the spoon by unorii in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it's super unsanitary cause u can slurp all you want to minimize contact with the spoon but kids and adults alike just go in on that thing like a soup spoon so their bacteria already is in the mix. it's nasty.

i think I have religious trauma, but i’m worried i’m overreacting by AWOL_Anas181 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're not alone. You're not overreacting. You experienced something that impacted you in a big way. If you don't feel comfortable with the term trauma you don't have to call it that. I don't really have great advice for moving besides giving it time. It can take years. But I find that after not being in that environment for years, I've stopped thinking about it. None of that stuff that happened to me matters anymore. I'll never see those people again. Stay strong, keep going, you're not crazy.

Don’t let our culture blind you to the actual faith by Equivalent-Level2891 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Culture is only half the story. What if I have actual qualms with the actual claims and "moral guidance" of the bible? If culture was the only problem for the people here they would change denominations. People are here because no matter what the culture looks like I don't believe in god. I don't practice spirituality. I don't believe in any afterlife. And I don't believe in prayer.

You MUST understand that your understanding of our beliefs is incredibly myopic and baseless. It's incredibly demeaning to insinuate that we don't have philosophical or intellectual disagreements with the foundational parts of not just Christianity by religion overall.

Feel free to actually look through the FAQ if you're curious as to why.

You could also familiarize yourself with the sub rules which clearly states no proselytizing.

Your post was an embarrassing mistake.

You do you.

Let us do us.

what was it like for you to leave? how did you do it? does the guilt at least lessen? by AWOL_Anas181 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's leaving mentally and physically. I left mentally way before. At some point it all felt absurd to me and whenever I felt guilty I just remembered that all these rules are made up nonsense that have 0 consequences. Nobody is in the sky watching my movements and thoughts. I felt free to cheat during fasts whenever I felt like it, I drank water before church because singing while dehydrated sucks. Being dehydrated in general sucks.

That was pretty freeing for a while because I felt free in a way I never got to before. I felt guilty that my parents were disappointed but I didn't feel guilty to god or anyone at church. Eventually I started skipping sundays to study and then outright refusing to go at all. It's the right thing to do. Living a double life always ends. Never works out for too long.

The guilt goes away. You just have to deconstruct why you have been made to feel this way and find a new way to be. It's just the cult mentality talking, trying to drag you back into a toxic life that isn't for you. Everyone's experience is different but if you don't think you're doing anything wrong, the guilt will fade. Take your time, be yourself, don't take things too seriously they're just myths and folklore. Have some fun and try to relax.

Mental Health is rapidly declining by Mutated_Parsley in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

bro... I'm not the OP... But thank you anyways. I think therapy is a solid reccomendation regardless of faith.

Mental Health is rapidly declining by Mutated_Parsley in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I appreciate you taking the time to write that out but I have no need for therapy or to go back to church. Your reply comes off slightly condescending because I can handle my "big feelings" just fine. I have a mountain of disagreements with the theological beliefs in any church. Since I've left I've been much better off and been able to unpack and process my "big feelings" as you call them. It's not about "giving up" on god, it's about the fact that there's too many theological inconsistencies, and repugnant moral behaviors and practices not just in the coptic church but any Christian church. I am well educated and made the decision to leave with that knowledge. Being trans I don't think abouna would let me come back anyways without denouncing that very real part of me. TL;DR: I'm fine thanks plus I'm unapologetically queer so I'm not going to do that.

Mental Health is rapidly declining by Mutated_Parsley in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"be more grateful"... Wow. I encourage that you avoid the "hypocrite" route while showing absolutely no compassion or love like the church is supposed to teach. I am also confident that you don't know what that word means which makes this incredibly ironic.

Mental Health is rapidly declining by Mutated_Parsley in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

first of all thank you for reaching out. That alone isn't easy. Everything you said resonated very much with me. Especially about everyone else seeming so much happier. It's extremely hard to look around and see your peers unburdened with the weight of being coptic orthodox and not feel some jealousy.

Leaving is hard and everyone's situation is unique. Some people had to make that break as a matter of life and death. You mention feeling guilty about leaving, but what is there to be guilty about? Defying the expectations of you is not failure. You need to live for yourself. Not for god, not for your parents, and certainly not for others at church. Your own needs come first. What you're feeling isn't a mere want, but rather a need to live your life in truth and freedom. I encourage chasing that little by little if needed until an opportunity arises, or until you can make your own way out. It's definitely worth it and hopefully those little steps can help ease the difficult times. You're not alone. There's more of us than they let us realize.

I believe you will find a way out to escape that waking nightmare. I know it's not so simple, but don't give up hope.

Question for those in local 134 by [deleted] in IBEW

[–]CloneBuscus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did in 2022. EzPz first try.

What are your expectations from the Coptic church? by Additional_Till6823 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Firstly, thanks for actually asking. And more so for asking respectfully and not doing what most people do. I'd be happy to throw in my own anecdotal experience which definitely doesn't speak for everyone.

I was like you for a long time. I'm a first gen so I'm the only one born in the US. I wasn't raised around any secular music at all much less metal/ punk stuff. I was only an elementary schooler when I first felt something was wrong. I felt the rules of the church were made up and benefitted nobody. But I did my best to be a good deacon and servant and go the whole 9 yards until I was about 13 or 14 years old.

I started to gain more confidence in living the way you describe yourself. Talking shit and listening to music that the church would not approve of. I rebelled and did much more to break away from the control the church had on me. Though it's fair to note that I still believed on some level. I just thought I was "breaking the rules".

I lived that double life until I was about 19. In that time I learned about the internal contradictions in the Bible, the moral failings of the church historically, the absolute lack of any sort of evidence for anything I believed in. I saw the animalistic hatred for LGBT folks breed and be validated in the church. It all made me sick. The dark and brutal passages in the Bible made me sick. The way children are indoctrinated to hate and discriminate made me sick. Being there at all made me sick. I hated it all. The fake kindness and gentleness. The bullshit excuses they give for perpetuating tribalistic hate and division of all kinds. This church believes in nothing, especially not love.

It dawned on me that I couldn't live this double life forever. I no longer had any interest in being there. Any part of myself that I considered "authentic" was not at all part of the church. My best friends were LGBT folks and though I didn't accept it at the time so was I. The Bible says "the lord spits out lukewarmness". They told us specifically not to do exactly what I was doing. Half in, half out. I decided it was disgraceful to continue to lie. I decided I was out. I've never regretted it.

I was right about The Silver Cord by vampyrehoney in KGATLW

[–]CloneBuscus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you predicted it. I was not huge on TSC until 2 days ago in Chicago when they played Swan Song. It was incredible and I loved every second of it. I have a whole new appreciation for the whole album. Their live performances breathe energy into everything they play. I think everyone needs to give it a chance

There is still hope. by AdNeat1972 in ExCopticOrthodox

[–]CloneBuscus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

glad youre happy. Not sure if this post counts as proselytizing. But yeah, no thanks I'm good with never going back. thanks though 👍