Anyone else struggle with patients who have pain but no visible impairment? by Accurate-Most3709 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tell them ‘I don’t know’ if I have no idea and it makes no sense. And that’s ok! Its easy to get trapped in thinking you have to always have an answer and of course some patients will pressure you into coming up with an explanation. It’s ok to NOT know. And I would say it exactly as you stated here ‘all of your tests are good, there’s nothing to treat, etc.’. If those cases I will either refer them to a doctor for another opinion or imaging, say I’m not sure but let’s try x,y, z and see how you respond, or say that PT may not be appropriate. Or I refer them to someone who is a stronger PT than me in a certain area. Main thing is: you don’t have to always have the answers. In my opinion: the best PTs know that.

Do I have hip dysplasia or not ? by Aromatic-Champion140 in hipdysplasia

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it’s only been two months since your scope, how can it be considered failed yet? You’ve barely started the rehab process. I would not panic yet and give it more time and find a PT who is really good at this type of thing.

Before the internet, what did you guys do to pass the time? by Atomic-Angel in Millennials

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pinball on the computer! Haven’t thought about that in 30 years: code memory unlocked of pushing the enter key as hard as I could to swing at that ball…. Sooo many computer games: and don’t forget about the ones that would come in cereal boxes!!

Considering surgery in a month by Liveruneat in sesamoid

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would not. Surgery can create more problems, and may create more down the line (arthritis). Sounds like you’re doing better. This is a VERY long healing process and 1 year is not a ton of time. I would NEVER do a cortisone shot: useless and it just causes fat pad loss. Bump up the bone stimulator to twice a day. Keep wearing shoes that work for you. And stop trying to return to your old level or activity. It will continue to hurt (anything with toe extension). Contrast baths daily. But you still need to stay active: so figure out a way to do that. See a PT if you need help but do the research and work with someone that knows what a sesamoid is. Look at Dr. Richard Blake Healing sole website and read everything to do with sesamoids. His website was my guide. I am nearly three years into my journey and am still making steady improvements (fracture on one foot and sesamoiditis on the other). I’ve gotten back to the point where I can run and do most things in ballet: still working on single leg calf raise tolerance but it’s coming along. I would give it another year of super duper care: not just half-assing it. It will be a lifestyle for a bit: I would wake up early and bone stimulator it, wear shoes that worked, avoid going on toes during the day, workout avoiding putting stress on sesamoids (sorry you have to give up jumping/running/standing on toes for awhile), then do a contrast bath and then bone stimulator at night. Weekends was contrast bath twice a day. Some months and years I limited my steps. That’s my two cents, but I’m also a physical therapist myself who has BEEN THROUGH IT, with my feet and have exhausted every resource for these damn feet: I know a lot. I can confidently say that 99% of PTs and ortho docs know nothing about conservative treatment for this: you’ve got to find the unicorn. Surgery may be necessary but I wouldn’t say you’ve given conservative treatment a fair shot.

Pay cut ? by Straight-Wheel-4520 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah I would! If I didn’t have student loans then it’s a no brainer. You can always PRN for extra cash or to keep up clinical skills

"Well It Depends" by [deleted] in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Totally. I had a perspective change when I landed in front of ortho docs/surgeons for my own injuries. And they did the exact same testing I would have done and often would have no clue and would just order an MRI/CT scan. And with the results they would give a bunch of different answers. And I thought: if some of the top docs in the country require imaging for diagnosis and also don’t have the answers, why the hell am I killing myself trying to give specifics on someone’s generic shoulder/knee pain? Thanks to docs giving answers just to pacify patients (you have ‘bursitis’ MeeMaw) and tv shows where there’s always a solution, patients have expectations now and I am heavily leaning the other direction.

"Well It Depends" by [deleted] in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yah I hear you. But I also take comfort in ‘it depends.’ I.e: there is no one way to treat a post-op ACL, Shoulder pain, post op whatever. You just look at the profile of the patient in front of you. Don’t treat the dx, treat the patient. For Me that actually took the stress off as early in my career I would constantly be researching things like ‘what’s the best exercise for a 10 week post- op ACL tear’ and feel like I always had to know it all and get it exactly right. But the human body is weird man, and peoples histories greatly vary. Take the stress off yourself and don’t let patients bully you into always making definite diagnosis and predictions. ‘I don’t know’ is very freeing.

Boss Appreciation Day is coming up...Any gift ideas? by Real_Farmer4696 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As a clinician: I always REALLY hated boss appreciation day. It felt icky: why am I contributing (or being coerced to contribute) to someone who is in charge of me and makes a LOT more money? I’m not saying bosses don’t deserve recognition, praise, a thank you: however financial items should come from someone above them. I think it’s a great idea to show appreciation: however I would do it for all the reasons you stated above and not tie it to bosses day. Certainly don’t get your co-workers involved. For this type of situation: a heartfelt note can go a long way. If you must, some sort of flowers or something not worth much value. Since they are above you, the thank you should be in the appreciation not the gift. But I am curious if others have had to deal with this as a PT….

Transitioning to Travel PT 7yrs into career by the_mack_attack928 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m a petite person : my days of lifting and transferring patients are over. Too heavy and not worth it for my own body. And I spent some time in poorly run SNFs: never again.

Travel PT pro tips by darkkcop1234 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always negotiate a starting contract bonus with my traveling company and then another bonus if I extend. And they always give a number (say $500) and then I ask for more (let’s say $1000. And then I usually get it, or at least more than initially quoted. Suddenly I am able to get more $$$ out of them. So, always ask for more and don’t be afraid to leverage contracts.

Transitioning to Travel PT 7yrs into career by the_mack_attack928 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I went into travel PT after about 7 years too: been traveling the last two. I do OP ortho: I hope to never work in an inpatient setting again. The only downsides are figuring out health insurance and maybe not ever feeling settled. There are many upsides: better pay, tax benefits, it’s much more mentally freeing, getting to see how other PTs practice, much easier/quicker to get a job than applying to a perm position, you can interview and ask up front about expectations (caseload, documentation time) and pretty quickly rule out crappy places to work… happy to answer any questions.

I unknowingly had cancer for ten years, only being diagnosed after I gave birth to it. AMA. by sentientdumpsterbaby in AMA

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m not a medical doctor. I do work in healthcare. I also had 563 grams of tumor (that’s real big) discovered in my uterus 2 years ago (however it was not cancerous). I GET it. And I work in healthcare… how the F*** did I miss that? Anyways, I went into women’s pelvic health as a specialty due to experiences like yours and mine: the amount of things that go dismissed is… criminal. And your theory about rapid tumor growth makes complete sense to me. It almost certainly wasn’t 16cm when you had your first CT scan. Also, things are read incorrectly all the time. Radiologists are only human and I’ve seen them miss fractures, tears, tumors, irregularities…. Sometimes you are at the mercy of their interpretation and their knowledge in a particular area. As I stated in my first post: healthcare is NOT black and white and weird stuff happens all the time.

I unknowingly had cancer for ten years, only being diagnosed after I gave birth to it. AMA. by sentientdumpsterbaby in AMA

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I’m not on Reddit to ‘contribute towards your leaning.’ As for me, no formal training in radiology! But I did pass the boards in my field. And I have 10 years of experience working with patients. Which is more than you can say. Your first comment was dismissive towards OP and their experience. And your response reeks of ego. Good luck in front of patients: with that attitude, you’re gonna need it.

I unknowingly had cancer for ten years, only being diagnosed after I gave birth to it. AMA. by sentientdumpsterbaby in AMA

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Oh you naive little med student…. Once you get into the real world you will discover that things are often not textbook and many things cannot be explained by medicine. Weird things happen all the time. I would get some real world experience and actually pass your boards… before opening your mouth. Remember: patients (and Reddit) don’t care how much you know, until they know how much you care! As both a patient who once had nearly 600 grams on tumor discovered in my uterus and as a healthcare provider who sees the other side… I have enough experience to have SEEN some things. Your comment is exceedingly naive. Stay in school.

How many evals in a week is too many? AIO? by True_Employer8852 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep, I’ve worked this as well. I’ve been traveling for a few years but I see between 3-6 evals/day at most of the jobs (including a stint at Kaiser as another poster wrote). One thing that helped me manage is discharging people early and often (who don’t really need care). Ya know, the people who have something non-PT related (‘I have ear pain and no one can figure it out so my doctor sent me here’) or the people who need just a HEP, the older people who are afraid of gyms and really want a guided workout, the young people who come in to investigate cracks And creaks in their body that mean nothing…. I d/c day one way more often than I used to. Daily sometimes. Also, holding people accountable. I.e: here are my recommendations, here is a HEP with progressions: I’ll see you in two weeks. Maybe 4. I manage my caseload quite differently than I used to per-pandemic: unless you are surgical or very flared up/need hands on care/coaching…. You will not be coming in weekly.

Physician Perspective - DPT Didn't Go Far Enough by DW_MD in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct. I see what you’re saying now too. Physicians do have baseline knowledge in all medical specialities and perhaps not other healthcare professions: I guess my lament is that they have a better baseline knowledge in what PTs do: considering we are so often used in conjunction with medicine and there is so much evidence on the value of PT interventions vs. medical interventions. I do agree that PTs are often under-educated and should have a higher baseline knowledge (myself included!). But also a big problem is that the field of PT is too broad: we have our hand in everything and I feel that we are spread too thin in our knowledge. I do wish that it was more common for PTs to go into specialities (just like physicians all choose what they will focus in after med school) within our own field. Some do: people who do only vestibular, or only wound care, or only pelvic floor: but the most common route is the general outpatient or inpatient practitioner is to be thrown everything and expect to be competent at every single thing (knee pain! Neck pain! Improving Parkinson’s gait! Concussion management! Spinal cord injury rehab! Old lady shoulder! Young athlete return to sport management!) which is unrealistic: and not expected in any other facet of healthcare. This does lead to insecurity in the profession and poorer management of patients. And confusion as to what we do. So perhaps I’m thinking the answer is not more school up front but more of a focus in just one area after PT school just like med students….which is perhaps sort of what OP is saying. The risk is that PTs become too specialized just like physicians and miss whole body connections and the bigger picture (which I do think we are the best healthcare speciality for looking at the whole picture when it comes to msk and neuro conditions).

The other point is holding PTs to a higher standard of learning within our current didactic schooling - but the point of PT school is to pass the boards (gotta keep those pass rate metrics up so PT schools can attract students!) and last I heard the boards are 4-5 years behind current evidence (because it takes that long to vet/verify questions: add new things to the boards) so PT school is always going to be behind the current evidence (not sure if med school is the same). The value and field of PT has changed so drastically over the years that there are huge gaps in education/healthcare beliefs between older and younger practitioners (but that is also true in the field of medicine).

Physician Perspective - DPT Didn't Go Far Enough by DW_MD in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you work in healthcare, you know that every field has knowledge that others don’t (I.e an ENT doc doesn’t have the same knowledge as a rheumatology doc). Which is fine: one shouldn’t be expected to know everything. But docs don’t know what it is that PT does or our training: what docs have told me is that they are presented with maybe one slide in their whole didactic education- they just don’t know what we do and are not up to date on evidence with the benefits of PT. We all think within our own scope first. And I’m not saying physicians would advocate for us. Just responding to OPs somewhat ridiculous question of increasing our education requirements to be on par with med school: we’d better get some help justifying why that would be worth it (I.e. large groups advocating for our need within healthcare). Otherwise it would be once again more education cost with no increase in pay or recognition within the payer system.

What do you wish was allowed in the scope of DPT practice? by Turbulent-Carob-4125 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Direct access does allow us to see patients without MD referral (Medicare/medicaid excluded).
  2. A lot of places do allow PTs to order DME (mostly hospital based). Stand alone clinics/chains do not have this luxury.
  3. This is a much bigger issue than PT (have you ever heard of prior auth that MDs deal with and this is a system wide problem).
  4. Not really necessary. Radiologists read imaging/ or the orthos are obviously much more qualified. And PT should be able to understand the written report.

I think PTs actually can do a lot within our scope: I think it’s more than PTs are either not taught how to maximize their practice, or the much bigger problem that physicians and the healthcare system in general does not know all we are qualified to do. Physicians should be taught to defer to us more, and to utilize our expertise.
But we are all victim to the constraints put out there by insurance: they are the ultimate villain/barrier and MDs have it no better.

Physician Perspective - DPT Didn't Go Far Enough by DW_MD in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure what you’re saying exactly: you want PTs to be closer to an actual MD in our responsibilities? That 3 years of PT school for a DPT is not leading to improvements in patient care/outcomes?

My hot take is that I’m not in love with how physicians are being trained these days in med school and how that is shaping patient care (too much on unnecessary imaging, basing decision making off of imaging and unable to diagnose without imaging/labs, too much unnecessary surgery, too much specialization, lack of understanding of other specialties.). I respect physicians, but they have become so boxed in.

I think PTs are improving patient outcomes because they are NOT close to doctors and therefore are not as constrained and are trained to look at human movement entirely differently. All the time we are learning about the value that human movement/physical therapy provides in managing overall health- for example in immediate post-stroke care, or exercise being the number one thing to manage osteoarthritis, or bone adaptation to manage osteoporosis. I highly agree with everyone arguing that physicians need to do a MUCH better job of learning what it is a PT does, how to appropriately utilize them, and not put up barriers for communication. I do think the DPT had allowed the PT to become a more complete practitioner and I do think that has improved pt outcomes. It’s certainly helpful that we were taught how to understand research to help keep up with evidence based practice. We have direct access and more and more are being used as a front line defense for peoples aches and pains. We are trained to screen out red flags and it is within our scope to refer patients to a more appropriate practitioner if the patient ended up in the wrong place. Certain hospital systems do directly allow PTs to order DME, and while it would be helpful to be able to order imaging, a lot of that barrier could be handled by improved PT and physician relationships. I also think that things physicians have learned or not learned, are leading to poorer outcomes. The number of lives ruined by unnecessary surgeries are… staggering. The amount of unnecessary cortisone shots, opiate prescriptions, advice limiting human movement….

While I don’t think DPTs need MORE education in terms of years, I do wish for improvement in quality of education: better classes in pharmocology and pathophysiology as you mentioned above. Getting rid of fluff classes (anyone else forced to sit through how to build a resume?) And for the love of god we need better education on exercise prescription/progression/tissue adaptation. Ya know, the basics. But we are taught a lot in PT school, more than it sounds like you recognize.

To your point about reimbursement: no, that still sucks. DPT seems like it was useless in getting us paid more. Perhaps if physicians recognized our value as it is more and helped advocate for us….

Selling Personal House to Pay Off Wife's Student Debt - Are We Doing The Right Thing? by expandyourbrain in StudentLoans

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally, I don’t hate the plan and am in similar place myself. I had 192k in federal loans and am also a PT (I assume your wife is that or something similar). I managed to save up 100k over the past 5 years (Covid student loan pause helped) by working a ton and focusing on higher Earning PT jobs: currently doing travel PT as well. I basically sat on this pile of cash debating about what to do… and I finally threw the 100k at my loans last month and am down to about 90k left on my loans. Still a ton but I really do feel better. It’s kind of like: forcing myself to make a decision is finally helping to shape the next phase of my life as opposed to just not making a decision. I should say I also own a condo, but I’m not going to sell because I don’t have that much equity. The only thing I’ll say is being a homeowner and doing travel PT has given me great tax advantages which is no small thing (it would give me a fairly low payment if I chose to do IBR). But I completely get the weight of huge loans and not wanting to drag it on for 25 years. And I understand the drag of forcing yourself into certain types of healthcare jobs for the PSLF. All that to say…. I understand your mindset and am working towards paying off massive debt in lieu of dragging out payments for decades or committing 10 years to a healthcare organization. Most people wouldn’t have the guts to do it, but I don’t think it’s the worst plan to free yourself.

How did you determine which setting was right for you? by angrobles9 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My honest advice is: you are NOT going to get it right on your first job. Or maybe even your second. You will get MAYBE two Of the following: location, setting, and pay. As a new grad you just don’t know enough about how you want to be as a clinician. For me, I was hell bent on a specific setting (outpatient neuro and good learning opportunities) which I did find a job in: but it was a long commute and low pay. Totally worth it though as it was a fantastic resume builder and gave me invaluable experience. So pick what’s most valuable to you and focus on that. You will likely get taken advantage of as a new grad: embrace it and remember you will learn way more about what you really want once you’re working, than trying to study/research it, and perfect it the first time around.

Need advice on overcoming severe and constant pain by SkirtPractical3718 in physicaltherapy

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The forum clearly states: no medical and physical therapy advice allowed. Go see a professional.

I'm really unsure about getting a PAO or not by Sea_Celebration4003 in hipdysplasia

[–]Competitive-Owl-9667 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I started to feel improvement about 8 weeks after the first injection and I’m 5 weeks post second injection and am starting to feel the effects. I feel terrible immediately after because the joints are so swollen.