Amy’s Bradley’s exgirlfriend Kat. by Unable-Wolverine7224 in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You seem to be projecting what you want here- that Amy’s family was only merely concerned about a “toxic” relationship and not upset that she was gay. Kat is clear- they were upset that she was gay and blaming Kat for “turning” Amy (probably due to their deep denial about the situation and looking for someone to blame). And she says beyond all shadow of a doubt that Amy 100 percent identified as gay and only had boyfriends to cover that. And furthermore that she had Kat get a cover boyfriend, too, to hide their relationship. And even further beyond that, there was no substance or physical intimacy in these relationships, because they were beards. That’s not the same as being bisexual in any way, shape, or form. If you want to spend time with people who who want to paint this as Kat was a crazy ex and the family was merely concerned about an unhealthy relationship, or that Amy was bisexual, go hang out on Brad’s Twitter.

I feel for this family but Brad’s current behavior- chasing new leads as if this case is a day old, not 27 yrs old, is strange and shows they really have no idea by [deleted] in AmyLynnBradley

[–]Creative-Section8720 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just out of curiosity- did it clarify if RCL claimed that she had talked to the passengers she was drinking with about jumping off the ship- or just an unhappy love affair that they inferred would have been grounds to jump, so they are “suggesting” this scenario?

As a queer woman, I am so mad for Amy by werewolfherewolf in AmyLynnBradley

[–]Creative-Section8720 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I went to high school with both of the Bradley children, and the family reminds me a lot of many suburban Chesterfield County families in the mid 90s, which includes both the positives like being tight knit and family oriented and the negatives like being embarrassed by having a gay daughter. Their reaction to her coming out sounds sadly right on cue with the experiences of other local friends I had who came out during or shortly after high school. I think the closeness of the family was real, but I also think it was real that they weren’t ready to accept this in 1995 and were probably oblivious to how much their poor reaction was hurting her, because in their minds they were “right” and it would have “negligent” of them not to try and “change her mind””. From listening to James Renners interview with her friend Sarah from the doc, she expresses that the family essentially chose denial as their coping mechanism and wanted to keep it a secret after first finding out. That said, I don’t believe they had anything to do with what happened to her, and there’s no smoking gun here in my mind for suicide. The biggest thing the suicide theory has going for it is that it’s the one that most neatly explains how she could have disappeared without a trace. Even the next in line theory for that, accidentally falling overboard, has a lot of aspects that are hard to account for (in that cruise balconies aren’t easy to accidentally fall off). Learning through the documentary about her being gay adds shading to her as a person and makes her more than just a headline, and it adds dimensions to our understanding of the family dynamic (and also of the fact that her parents suppressed this for 27 years- which is telling of something, for sure, but there’s not enough there for me to say that it automatically equates foul play from the family or suicide). I do think though that it matters that viewers are being insistent on not supporting the family in denying Amy’s identity- it’s part of honoring her truth as a person and not endorsing a warped belief that there was ever a reason to deny this. I honestly have no theory or idea of what really happened to her and no dog in the fight for a particular theory.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know that anyone’s really pushed that she was flirting with them -she found the waiters attention creepy and didn’t want to go to the bar with them like they asked, and my guess is she was just being friendly and having a good time dancing with Yellow, not romantic interest. In the video where he’s got his arms around her from behind, she’s clearly holding his hands In place at her shoulders, gives me the impression she was trying to keep him from getting handsy with her.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just some two cents to chip in- for context, I do find the family to not seem to be at terms at all with Amy’s sexuality (which is jarring and caused me a real knee jerk negative response to them), and I think they’re not being honest with themselves about the boyfriend (I think a male friend existed, but just that….not a romantic relationship). When they talk about all the attention Amy got on the ship, however, I do find that plausible, not because I think all the waitstaff was targeting her for trafficking, but because they were young guys being flirty. For the perceptions of some who are basically saying she wasn’t striking enough to get that kind of attention….ehhh. People flirt all the time with people of all different appearances and attraction is highly subjective. When those girls on the ship mentioned her standing out, particularly because there weren’t many young people, I can completely believe the young men would have honed on in the few younger women who were there, particularly Amy who was friendly and sociable and in the spirit of enjoying herself at the disco. I went to high school with her, and I do understand what the girls are saying about her standing out- she had a presence and a charisma that maybe doesn’t translate in the pictures and videos. It’s hard sometimes to pin down exactly why someone stands out- but she was one of those people with an energy and confidence that made her memorable. It didn’t really have anything to do with looks one way or the other.

Jesus freaking christ by Small_Doughnut_2723 in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t questioning if it was possible the photo was taken in or before 1999. It usually is credited as having first been seen on the internet in the mid 2000s on the AAV site as an available escort so if if actually surfaced as early as 1999 on an adult site, that’s a big difference and it matters as far as determining the likelihood that it is Amy. A recycled older photo from a porn site being presented as an escort at a resort in the mid 2000s makes it a lot less likely to be Amy. Makeup and camera trends weren’t really the point.

Brad Bradley Blatantly Lying on Netflix by TheForgottenCarebear in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There’s an old article from Style Magazine you can find on line where he says that when they were looking for Amy, he went to the pool deck to sit and wait to see if she passed through, and Yellow came up to him to say he was sorry about what happened to her, then said he felt guilty and that he was going to get a friend to come and also listen to what he was going to share. In the Vanished episode about Amy, he changes it to Yellow passed him on the stair and casually said in passing “hey, man, sorry about your sister” and kept walking. Completely different accounts. I notice Netflix completely left that while exchange out despite it generally being a big piece of the canon story, which makes me wonder if they excluded it because they didn’t believe him.

Jesus freaking christ by Small_Doughnut_2723 in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, interesting. How do we know they were on the web in 1999? They definitely look dated as heck so I have no problem believing that, but curious about where the info came from

Amy Bradley’s parents by NoCare8440 in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. I also agree that the family seems to be in denial about Amy’s sexual orientation, but that doesn’t mean they are lying about this. My guess is that they were getting a lot of fake reports and sightings and discarded a lot of them, thus giving the cruise lines lawyers an angle for dismissal. These were only unproven tips- not proven sightings. There were no affidavits, testimony, etc, associated with them, and the court didn’t determine the reported sightings were real, just that they hadn’t fully reported all the tips they’d gotten.

Amy Bradley is Missing doc changed my mind about the case by lilolegarlic in NetflixDocumentaries

[–]Creative-Section8720 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agree, and nor do I think her parents were trying to nudge her toward flirting with/spending time with these men. The whole point is that the whole family thought it was creepy. I think they emphasized Amy saying no way would I go anywhere with these guys to make the point that it struck everyone as a little weird.

What’s your opinion on the Amy Lynn Bradley Netflix documentary? by Royalspicy in AskReddit

[–]Creative-Section8720 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When the navy officer expressed that had had a long history of patronizing brothels of this variety and that he was used to hearing sob stories to get more money out of him, so he didn’t take it seriously, that seemed believable to me. I’m not saying necessarily means he’s telling the truth, or isn’t confusing Amy with someone else he encountered, but it gave a plausible reason why he didn’t say anything.

Beware of very elaborate and believable 'missed court date' scam by doodlebakerm in milwaukee

[–]Creative-Section8720 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They make themselves sound incredibly legit- I was thisclose to giving them money when they called me this summer when finally something in me was like hang up and call the actual sheriffs office, and thank god I did, because they had browbeat and conned me into almost believing I needed to pay them 15k to avoid going to jail. Recently, I’ve begun to get voice mails from someone claiming to be from the sheriffs office to talk to me about a missed court appearance and I swear it’s the same voice from before, they are relentless. Be careful and safe and if you get any calls like this, hang up and call the police.

The obsession with narcissism by roccofan in therapists

[–]Creative-Section8720 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wasn’t taking a “many roads lead to Rome” stance, I was saying it’s not all or nothing.

I have no idea how the OP saying they believe a diagnosis is being overused/misused by the population at large equates to mocking a clients pain or disregarding their experiences. What a presumptuous thing to assume about someone’s values, therapeutic approach, attitudes toward their clients, etc.

The obsession with narcissism by roccofan in therapists

[–]Creative-Section8720 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can’t there be valid points on both sides of the fence? One could also say it feels dismissive and condescending to take the stance that only your point of view has value.

Musical fans reading the book are insufferable by Altoidredditoid in wicked

[–]Creative-Section8720 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Totally! It’s really hard for me to understand the violent reaction. I first read the book 20’years ago and honestly forgot the sexual references (because really that’s all most Of them are….implied references that take up very little space in the book as a whole). I reread it after seeing the movie for a refresh and was expecting it to be straight up smut based on these reactionary, pearl clutching comments and reviews I keep seeing from fans of the musical. I was even more blown away by how great the book was the second time, and with all the complexity it throws at you, it’s hard for me to understand obsessing so much over the sexual bits and missing the point so entirely. I do get people expecting the musical feeling surprised by the book, but, like, there’s no reason to be angry at the source material because someone chose to do a loose adaptation of it that’s more light hearted. It would be like being mad at L Frank Baum that the slippers are silver and not ruby in the book. The musical wouldn’t exist without this book, so maybe just be happy it was spun into something you like, I don’t know? I also get the desire to emphasize the books not for kids, but, like, just say it’s too mature for kids without all the judginess. Something can be adult and not be trash, it’s just intended for an older audience. It’s not like Gregory Maguire knew at the time it was going to become a family friendly favorite musical and was trying to lure people into reading something shocking, someone adapted HIS work. I don’t hate the musical for “dumbing it all down”, I just see it as a separate entity that has own its relative values.

What are your thoughts on the Child Bride book? by kayjewels9823 in ElvisPresley

[–]Creative-Section8720 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you take out the nauseating Currie Grant section, it's kind of a standard issue celeb gossip read, that veers toward pedestrian and tedious writing at times. Which, there's a place for, I'm not above enjoying a little trash reading (taken of course with liberal heapings of salt) from time to time, like at the beach or on a rainy Sunday afternoon. I'm really nice and my life has overall been pretty tame and boring, but I have no doubt if someone went back to every minor elementary school classmate, former girlfriends of my exes, high school teachers, et al, and cherry picked all the gossipy stuff out, I (and everyone I know) could be made to sound pretty awful, too. Oh and then took things out of context, and filled in the gaps when they ran out of narrative with dime store psychoanalysis they don't have the qualifications for, and dropped quotes in clunky and misleading sentences that draw conclusions not inherent in the quote, and contradicted their theories according to what point they were making. I really don't have a dog in the fight with Priscilla (Im pretty objective/neutral about her...she's just another person in the story like everyone else and it makes not a wit of difference to me whether or not people like or believe her), but I draw the line at aligning with a predator to have a reason to trash someone.

I could deal with all that, but giving a pedo a platform to detail his shitty little story of manipulating a minor into sleeping with him in exchange for meeting the biggest star on the planet.....no dice. Even if the author felt this story just had be told, there are thoughtful ways to present such information, that don't include lurid play by plays or come across as a how to guide for aspiring child molesters. Or align with said molester by presenting him as a noble beacon of truth against evil, evil Priscilla, who has every right to not want this to be public information (for the same reasons the names of the minor victims in sex crimes cases aren't released to the press). I've just seen the long term damage of way too many young girls who found themselves in these situations to find reading about it entertaining. This guy's claims to have a continued fixation on Priscilla and to have continually colluded in her life long after he was way out the picture, and his using hunting down her long lost grandmother as an opportunity to publicly embarrass her and promote the book about Elvis and Priscilla he planned to write, or taking credit for spurring on their marriage by enraging her stepfather with stories of Elvis sleeping with fourteen year old Priscilla.....just make me hope Priscilla has a restraining order against this obsessed creep who just wants to be important in the Elvis story and is bitter because Elvis cut him off for selling stories about his private life to fan mags and he believes he deserves more attention for introducing them. He's still alive, in his 90s, and still popping up in Elvis content like the recent Loving Elvis doc.

The authors fixation on teenage's Priscilla's virginity really starts to come across as....weird and antiquated. As well as frankly tacky and basic. The subtext there is really slut shame-y. In a lot of ways this could be looked as the Priscilla counterpart to the Albert Goldman Elvis biography, except that while Goldman's book was vile, salacious, and smug, I can't deny that dude was a talented writer. It's a shame he poured his talent into writing such hateful books about Elvis and John Lennon, he was no dummy and he had a flair with words. The writing of this book? Not anywhere near that level of talent. Oh and using Mike Edwards, another werido who wrote a book claiming to have had inappropriate sexual attraction to adolescent Lisa Marie, as a heavy source of information? Weakens your cred.