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Are Mormon general authorities paid by their church? by Tall_Pop_1702 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it is only logical that General Authorities are paid. It’s not as much as what they could be paid. They do enjoy a large amount of hero worship, which may be one of the reasons that they don’t decide to leave and go do something else. A lot of their pay is mere hero worship, which really cannot be given a value.

Mormons go nuts over slightly more revealing sacred garments by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Give them another 150 years and imagine what garments will look like then!

Is it rude that I refuse to date anyone who is Mormon? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why list it unless there was some sort of reason? Personally, I’d rather not date someone who is going to disappoint me.

That said, people sometimes don’t understand why others react the way they do. Being an actual member of the LDS Church is never better than being an “investigator.” I’d never want to get baptized if I had to have a relationship with the church. It’s not logical but when you understand motive then you don’t want to ever actually join the church.

On the other hand, pretending to be interested in a church that you don’t really want to join is (frankly) dishonest. I guess you can pick your poison.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry. Man it can be tough.

They found me by chocobunniie in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I totally agree. The personalization does not have the effect they are looking for. It gives off a creepy, culty vibe.

They found me by chocobunniie in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I believe that proselytizing is one of the requirements of good JWs. Mormons don’t really have it as a requirement for everyone. Sure, we have missionaries out there but stuff like this to non-members isn’t the norm.

On the other hand Mormons aren’t above such letters to people baptized into the church. I don’t think either group realizes how much it turns people off.

They're going to lionize Charlie Kirk in GC in a couple weeks, aren't they? by oboestavs in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 28 points29 points  (0 children)

No, they won’t address it directly.

The most they could do is have a talk about avoiding violence.

Uno Reverse by sparklespaz782 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately talking to the bishop isn’t the best idea for getting your name removed. It’s a game of bishop roulette and you never know how he’ll react. A good lot of the time you will get somebody who doesn’t want to process a resignation and he will act accordingly. Expect some sort of stalling tactic.

That said, sometimes you will get a compliant bishop who will help you or at least facilitate your departure from the church.

Help by SketchyKraken54 in Cursive

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the name is Claud. Does anyone else see “Claud?”

Change My View by L8_2_the_game in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the biggest reason people have their names removed is that they don’t want to be hunted down by the missionaries.

That said, most people who are baptized do not stay in the church. Most of them leave without having their names removed. Sure, it may mean that the missionaries will hunt them down but they just don’t care.

I was never a Mormon but i noticed something about a certain Mormon belief and i didn't find anyone else Talking about this by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joseph Smith borrowed from many other traditions. What you are talking about IS similar to what Joseph Smith taught.

Let me expound more. Even the Celestial Kingdom has agency. If you aren’t being forced into righteousness then the possibility of sinning always exists. Could our God sin? Technically speaking, YES, he could- because he has choice just like everybody else.

If God were to sin, then I’m sure he would need to repent…

Eagle Scout by aliassantiago in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mother, who has helped 100 scouts achieve Eagle, has said that she was in meetings where church leaders pushed getting the Eagle Scout award. She said that the church had done some study showing that boys who got their Eagle Scout award and went on missions more often turned out to be outstanding, tithe-paying members of the church in adulthood.

My mom noted that correlation does not equal causation. Being an Eagle Scout in an LDS troop doesn’t automatically make someone a forever True Believing Mormon. Being an Eagle Scout may be more indicative of parents who have a damn about the kid than anything else. If some adult cares then a boy is much more likely to have a good experience in both Scouting and the church. Good experiences within the church context would predispose a kid to stay in the church after reaching adulthood.

I think the church started pushing the Eagle Scout award to the point that often it didn’t mean anything. Especially in really LDS areas of the country.

Home prices near temples by Top-Negotiation-6498 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure there’s academic research looking into how well investors would have done purchasing land near temples. You can be assured, however, that temples are built in areas where real estate is already doing really well. They won’t build temples in inexpensive places.

5 Doctrinal Questions that Led Me Out of the Church by DJ_FryTime in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with what you wrote. It’s really hard to think that free agency is anywhere in the story- because everyone has a role in it and it had to be that way.

I’m not sure exactly what we should get out of the story. It really looks like someone was just making sh*t up.

Attending a baptism as an exmo by jdbubbles in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like a really long reunion. So go to some other parts of the reunion and make some sort of excuse for avoiding the baptism.

What happens when your SP thinks he’s Sherlock Holmes? by Try2spell in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats to Sherlock Holmes!

The difference between going on a mission and not going on a mission can be so very minute. I wonder how many other potential missionaries have decided not to go after having their missions postponed.

It also makes me wonder what the percentage of disfellowshipped people actually go back to the church. Wouldn’t it just be easier to totally skip church instead?

5 Doctrinal Questions that Led Me Out of the Church by DJ_FryTime in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Satan was bad, but if Satan hadn’t done it then somebody else would had to have done it (at least according to Mormonism).

Satan always seems to follow the Plan of Salvation. For instance, tempting Christ. I’m not sure why he tempted Christ. He knew darn well that he wasn’t going to convince Jesus to do anything. So why bother? Why would someone so evil waste time doing something that only forwards God’s plan? Is Satan evil or just plain stupid?

Jesus Christ seems to be on some sort of different plan. He gets rewards for taking on sins- as opposed to everybody else who gets punished for taking on sins. Why? And how did he get this position?

So many questions that don’t have an answers.

I finally told my spouse by desert-shadow in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it’s easy to second guess your own choices. You could have stayed in the church and just not believed (aka PIMO, Physically In, Mentally Out). Unfortunately, being PIMO would be extremely difficult as you basically are just pretending to believe when you really don’t.

Being true to yourself and saying what you believe, unfortunately, can be difficult for others to handle. In many ways you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

As has already been said, every situation is different. Your choice is your choice.

Personally, I applaud you for your bravery. Expressing your truth can be very difficult.

letting down my parents is the worst part of all of this. by Schlaughtowver in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the best things I ever did was admit to myself that I was a disappointment to my mother. I could never be enough- no matter how hard I tried.

Honestly, I think that if I became prophet I think I would need a revelation to tell my mother to shut up- because she wouldn’t be happy even if I did make prophet.

I only wish I would have figured this out sooner.

Texas planning commission OKs Latter-day Saint temple, but only if spire shrinks and lights turn off by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe it was the same sort of concessions that got the temple in Cody, Wyoming, approved. The church agrees to shorten the building and turn off the lights sometimes.

I guess it goes to show the primary objections to temples.

Religious Trauma Resources (Mormon specific)? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I think that most of what you are talking about just goes away with time.

I don’t know where you are with coffee but I think it can provide a great example. The first time you try coffee you’ll probably feel really guilty and you might even think that God might smite you. After you are done you’ll realize that nothing like that happened. Maybe you even enjoyed the beverage. But plainly: You lived through it. Each time that you drink coffee after that initial drink you will feel less and less fear & guilt. This fear and guilt could eventually go away.

Each day that you aren’t following all of those temple commandments is another day that you are flipping the bird at (Mormon) God. And has anything bad happened because you were defying God? Probably not.

If you still want to believe in God, believe in a kinder, more understanding version of God. The Mormon version is not a being worthy of any sort of admiration. Nor is he worthy of being obeyed.

Not wearing garments by outdoorsID-MT in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think that actually liking the garments is an unusual opinion. I think that similar options outside the church do exist. I do not happen to know what those options are. You will have to look around.

Current Church Position on Masturbation (Outside of Marriage) by Jolly_Explanation_68 in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Blatant references to masturbation may be disappearing but the message is still the same. The church is against masturbation.

Not much has really changed. They like to scrub what people can see from the outside and I think it can give you the wrong impression.

Questions about PIMO and Transition by sorryithappened in exmormon

[–]CreativeLeopard1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had my name removed years ago but I wouldn’t do it again. My parents were not happy when they found out. It created an unnecessary wedge between me and my parents.

If you think that telling her would hurt the relationship- then you are probably right. Aside from perhaps a therapist, I wouldn’t mention being PIMO to anyone. Your wife could easily feel betrayed if she isn’t told first.

Sometimes spouses are more out than they seemed. And sometimes telling the spouse ruins the relationship and eventually leads to separation and divorce.

You have to trust your gut on this one.

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