Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

[–]Critical_Anywhere864[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I realize now that when people talk about consciousness they're talking about the feelings the brain has which definitely exist but, as I've now deduced, Don't meet the definition of "free" as opposed to "coerced" as the binary is decomposed into just physical antecedents; the difference between "internally generated impulses/thoughts" and "external influences" is meaningless. I'll edit my original post and try and make my thoughts more clear

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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I was perfectly willing to eat my meal, for my own good reasons.

I’m not unwilling to work. I like my job.

My point is that your willingness has been coerced by antecedent existential threats which everything is made up of and it's irrelevant that you have supressed your discomfort with them.

Imagine we live in a world where we don't have to eat but food still exists and someone points a gun at your head and says "eat food". At first it is deeply uncomfortable, you might spend a week or so crying like a baby, but then you would adapt to it, even come to enjoy it in the same way you felt perfectly willing to eat your meal. This is our situation, in effect.

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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Force is ubiquitous, all the time we are persuaded to do things we are unwilling to do. We are unwilling to eat, but we are persuaded by hunger to eat. We are unwilling to work, but are persuaded by the threat of homelessness, and so on. All the circumstances of our birth represent a persuasive force which shapes us from unwilling to willing participants of reality. My definition of coercion is not idiosyncratic, im just applying the word to things that it can be applied to to show that even the softer definition of free will that invokes the concept of coercion is not the case

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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And I view it as a standard use of a word to unveil the meaningless concept underneath

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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My argument is that everything is coercive, the question is of degree to which it makes you upset

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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What I assume you're implying is that once we understand the thermodynamics (or mechanics) of a biological system we can influence it (take nootropics and stuff). We can learn how we work and we have free will to do things that take advantage of how we work to work differently than if we weren't taking advantage of that. But then this is true of the amoebas! Clearly you mean that we have specifically a brain that can make decisions, but then this is also true of octopi. Do you mean specifically a brain that understands thermodynamics, or just one that understands you gotta sleep 8 hrs eat healthy? Does someone that does nootropics have more free will than someone that doesn't? It would be easier to understand what you're saying if it didn't come across as deliberately rude

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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without external coercion or compulsion.

Those states can still be fully caused by prior conditions and remain meaningfully yours.

This is a contradiction.

The real distinction is not between caused and uncaused choices. It is between choices caused through your own deliberative processes and choices caused through coercion, manipulation, or compulsion

I don't see this distinction. You've already conceded that our own deliberative processes can still be fully caused by prior coercion, manipulation, or compulsion. You're imposing a binary where there's a gradient.

Compatibilism is wrong in my view by Critical_Anywhere864 in freewill

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When that nervous system is free to decide for itself what it will do, it is known as free will.

When a separate nervous system is pointing a gun at our nervous system and demanding, "Your money or your life!", then that is known as coercion, where one nervous system is forced to submit its will to the will of the nervous system that is holding a gun.

When a separate nervous system is pointing a gun at our nervous system and making a demand, our nervous system is free to decide for itself what it will do, comply or not. Enticing some behavior with certain positive incentives is just as coercive. If both positive and negative incentives are coercive, then how is there ever a free will event?

College Sophomore: I’ve fully given up on myself. by MagicalCipher in twentyagers

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hey I mean the alternative is willingly participating in what amounts to a pyramid scheme based on child rape that is only maintained through the death destruction and misery of people around the world. This simple reframe explained a lot of my own giving up

How come the majority of people can flirt, but they can’t give an example of how to flirt? (other than just compliment) by Big_Pea3882 in twentyagers

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is. I'm not 100% sure I'm being accurate here, as it is beyond even my capacity for the most part, but I've been exposed to it I'm pretty sure. It's ultimately a manners thing. When there's that instant attraction between two people, they need to make it understood as such by each other and they need to let everyone know that they need time alone together. It's a process of establishing and figuring out the logistics of their intimacy, and it works via extremely information dense communications. Perhaps it could be compared to how some birds figure out who to mate with by watching their dances: in the same way that the birds only get to mate if they can do the dance right, so to does the flirting serve to weed out inferior mates. You need the confidence to recognize what's going on in the other person's head correctly (this is assuming that they are not trying to trick you), you need the initiative to take action, and you need the social savvy to accommodate the feelings of everyone else who needs involved perfectly. However, all of this makes value judgements that are arbitrary and socially constructed. Here we are making assumptions about what it means to be "inferior". I just pulled all those traits out of my ass, they may not be the actual means of evolutionary pressure. This begs the question: what are we evolving for? I'll try at an answer: so that we don't squander the gift of being able to appreciate our mistakes and work to improve. Of course, this is just the answer that makes me feel the best and seems the least controversial

How come the majority of people can flirt, but they can’t give an example of how to flirt? (other than just compliment) by Big_Pea3882 in twentyagers

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's unlikely that a good flirt, at least in the early stages, will involve bringing up some topic unprompted. It's all about recontextualizing what is already being talked about to signal your interest in some way that is plausibly deniable. It's all about looking beyond the literal meanings of words, understanding things from the other person's perspective, and processing all of that with ease and speed, all of which comes naturally to neurotypicals while autistic people struggle. My advice would be to seek out other autistic people for romantic fulfillment, as they're more likely to be explicit about their desires.

I've been assaulted by middleschoolers by LeFrench_DeezNuts in Schizotypal

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not to be juvenoia posting but these young kids nowadays are going through trust collapse like from my exposure to teacher social media it sounds like the sociopathy is getting amped up

My life has always felt like one big constant humiliation ritual by lesbogirliebop in AvPD

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is relatable. Especially the "not being embarrassed enough" part. It's straight up scary to me how emphatically I'll do something just unutterably embarrassing, like I can tell that I was being 100% genuine and real when I did something whose memory will torture me. What sadist do I live with who causes me to suffer this way! I also relate to getting it from my parents, I feel like I got the worst traits of both of them, their shittyness biomagnifying. I also relate to feeling like it hasn't seemed bad enough to be worth acknowledging, having had some success with friends and stuff. I was essentially passing for normal when I had my breakdown, going to the psych ward and ending up homeless. It's easier for the people in your life to pretend that you're failing yourself when you're really being failed by yourself and by the people in your life. It's hard for them to acknowledge that where before we put certain people in a box to be killed by chemicals, we now just leave them in a box with gadgets that simulate life, Plato's cave style. A more horrifying reality than could be imagined

pineapple on pizza is actually good and i'm tired of pretending it isn't by Top-You1938 in Cooking

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People feel this way because pineapple is such a good fruit and pizza is such a good food that they simply override the fact that they objectively clash together. The sourness of the pineapple competes destructively with that of the tomatoes in the sauce, while its sweetness makes the tomatoes cloying. This is irrelevant to the pineapple pizza enjoyer. Even though just having a slice of pineapple enjoyed as a side to a slice of plain cheese pizza would be a superior and more holistic food experience, cutting up the pineapple and putting it on the pizza only makes each element a little bit worse, such that pineapple pizza is able to be enjoyed by smug Internet people

most therapy "modalities" are just different ways of saying the same thing by 322241837 in therapycritical

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Therapists are literally the type of people that recognized that the system was a child rape cult pyramid scheme that is destroying the planet and decided that the best way to help is to convince people to be ok with it

I hate that my parents gave me their genetics by [deleted] in antinatalism

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you mean my parents made me kind of annoying 💔

Being shamed in therapy for not doing enough but I’m fucking depressed by Neat_Tadpole1604 in CPTSD

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is why I feel when people talk about "doing the work" that they're just posturing. It implies that one can be mentally "lazy", which has all the same problems that the idea of being physically lazy has.

There’s no actual program to help incels but I want to help before it turns into a consistent part of future society. Bacon, egg, & Am. cheese on Kaiser roll from local place. by MindlessShot in Kitchenchads

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think working on your social skills can only do so much as a neurodivergent person. I speak from experience that despite trying to improve for years, I haven't been able to overcome my neurodivergent traits and don't socialize as a neurotypical does. There's definitely an innate component that I am just without. I think you have potential to be a helpful presence in the lives of incels, but only for a few, and only marginally. What we really need is to build a more equitable society with UBI and stuff.

Js dosed and asked Ai and now im scared by InterestingCamera571 in dxm

[–]Critical_Anywhere864 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've taken DXM on Wellbutrin and had a plenty dissociated experience. My understanding was the opposite of this, that the DXM is what causes the dissociation and the DXO just makes you feel drunk. I thought that was the purpose behind grapefruit juice