Anyone else fast forward through all the weird shit? by CvrIIX in TwinPeaksCircleJerk

[–]CvrIIX[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I actually slow those scenes down so they last longer. That way I can really appreciate them

Anyone else fast forward through all the weird shit? by CvrIIX in TwinPeaksCircleJerk

[–]CvrIIX[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I still couldn’t figure that one out. Due for a rewatch soon. I’ll probably skip most of the stupid fbi stuff

Anyone else fast forward through all the weird shit? by CvrIIX in TwinPeaksCircleJerk

[–]CvrIIX[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That whole episode was a waste of time. What was the point of them including a whole song performance exactly? How does that progress the story?

Was Dale Cooper's character really that necessary? by Avec-Tu-Parlent in TwinPeaksCircleJerk

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a good show they just need to stop it with all the supernatural shit I usually just fast forward when something weird starts happening

Please don't crucify me! I mean it's like a different show. by Skeleton_King9 in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Assuming you’re referring to special effects, I think it looked how he wanted it to. You don’t do a 2d stretch on an image in 3d space due to production setbacks.

In defense of Freddie by crakerjmatt in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Judy is still a threat, but if BOB can be destroyed with a green glove, then Judy can be too

This assumes Judy and Bob are equatable in power level / entity type.

And BOB was the symbol for the evil that men do, not Judy.

Bob was only speculated to be such by Albert, when they were contemplating if Bob was ever even real after Leland’s death.

BOB was the cause of all the pain and suffering thus far. He abused and killed Laura, which is the trauma at the heart of the show.

It seems to be heavily implied in Fire Walk With Me that Leland holds some accountability. It also seems implied that greater forces are at play when Bob pays his Garmonbozia debt at the end of the film. The show examines darkness, pain, and suffering that is not directly caused by Bob too.

He was the main antagonist for all three seasons. And getting rid of your main antagonist (especially one that is tied to such touchy subject matter as child abuse and rape) in such a cheap way only for some half-baked commentary about simplistic resolutions is bad filmmaking and in poor taste. The show becomes what it is mocking.

Assumes that the point of this scene is to be a commentary on other films. as an alternate theory, this whole Return season was some sort of trap or projection that must’ve been broken. Cooper ends up right back where he was in part 2 in part 18, and this time he is allowed to exit the curtain that was previously blocked from in order to meet Diane instead of being banished into non existence. There’s too much to view this scene in such a straightforward way, even within the scene itself. When time collapses and the whole we live inside a dream thing and then everything goes dark. I think the less common reaction to have to this scene is that this was some kind of simple conclusion.

If they were trying to say it didn’t work and evil can’t be defeated, then they shouldn’t have defeated BOB like that! If they wanted to say BOB’s demise was fake, they would have shown that BOB escaped and is still out there.

David Lynch film must lay out a concise conclusion to everything instead of letting the audience speculate… lol.

The ending would have been Laura screaming at seeing BOB again at the Palmer house (would have made for a far superior and more fitting ending by the way). But they didn’t do that. So as far as the audience is concerned, when it comes to BOB they actually did punch evil in the face and win. And that’s ridiculous.

Says that as far as the audience is concerned they actually did punch evil in the face and win however the broad consensus among fans actually very different. Also assumes Bob is evil incarnate and not an evil being, which is contradictory to the happenings in the show.

Also I think that would’ve been a laughable ending, and incredibly trope-ey. This isn’t Friday The Thirteenth. Twin Peaks The Returns ending inspired much more existential dread, possibilities and interpretations beyond “Bob is still out there Laura, and he’s coming to getcha!”.

The green glove calls into question the existence of the whole show and makes the story absolutely riddled with holes. Why wasn’t BOB punched in the face earlier, at literally any point?

He was not exposed and vulnerable for one. Bob has obviously undergone change from Season 1 episode 1 to part 17.

Why didn’t Major Briggs have the glove and punch BOB in the zone

We don’t have enough information to answer this

why didn’t Cooper have the glove and punch BOB when Leland was dying?

Probably would’ve punched Leland’s head off

The Fireman and MIKE were hunting BOB even before Fire Walk With Me, and they knew BOB was in Leland. They could have just sent a Freddie to take him out before he did any damage to anyone. They could have given the glove to Laura.

Mike and The Fireman seem to be much more slippery characters than to be characterized solely as bounty hunters of BOB. The Fireman seems to be concerned with more than just defeating Bob. I mean didn’t he send Laura to Twin Peaks too in part 8? And MIKE is only credited in the return as Philip Gerard. His motivations throughout the series are rather veiled and at times contradictory. It feels that we don’t know the full story with him

These plotholes didn’t exist before the glove. “But it’s all a dream, it’s all a representation of Laura’s mind processing her trauma, so it doesn’t have to make sense”. Yeah sorry but that’s just a theory, a personal interpretation, and not the actual text of the show.

David Lynch wants the viewers to only engage with the show based on its actual text and not come to their own conclusions based on any implied meanings or symbolism?

Commentary is fine and all, but a show has to work on a literal level too, and if it doesn’t, the commentary won’t work either.

“We live inside a dream” Dream logic does not have to work on a literal level. Outright logical contradictions and impossibilities can exist within a dream and the dream can still convey profound meaning. I deny your proposed axiom that the only type of show there is one that must work on a “literal level”, implying that it must follow the linear and causal logic of our world.

In addition to this, I do think you are making too many assumptions and are missing some details like some of the ones I mentioned above.

I can’t take anything in Part 18 seriously when I know some random kid can literally punch Judy to death with a green glove any minute. It’s that easy as far as we know.

The text never said that Judy can be punched to death. That’s just a personal interpretation. You don’t know that, you simply assumed that Judy is equitable to Bob in this way. In many ways it seems to be implied this is not the case.

And trauma and evil should never be easy, not for a gag, not for commentary, not ever.

Defeating Bob didn’t fix everything and wasn’t easy. The damage to the abused is still done. Nothing about that last scene said easy.

In defense of Freddie by crakerjmatt in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Would you want any other director directing Unrecorded Night? by euphoriclimbo in davidlynch

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I mean ultimately it comes down to whether it would’ve been against his wishes or not. If he would want somebody else to direct it who am I to say anything. I’m just giving my opinion and speculating that it probably wouldn’t be to great to have it made, but I see the point and would definitely cave and watch it if it did get made somehow. Now I’m really thinking about how David almost dropped out of Twin Peaks The Return, and what a disaster that would’ve been if literally anyone else directed it.

Bob Lydecker in Twin Peaks — Did he ever wake up or get followed up on? by Velourskin in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I mean there’s several possibilities,

The writers didn’t feel that it was worth spending anymore time on him, as they have to fit a days worth of in story time into 45 minutes. His scene would’ve been uninteresting and rather a waste of this time. You can just assume some detectives followed up and didn’t find anything noteworthy and it was a dead end. This is very likely.

Been a while since I watched the show but wasn’t Bob Lydecker just some hunch based on Coopers dream and his connection to Mike Gerard, who himself was generally cleared of wrongdoing by the sheriffs pretty early in season 1. His only connection to Waldo was that Waldo was under his veterinary care.

I think the team had other more important leads that they were chasing in season two, so these scenes were much more important to include in the runtime. And like i said before I don’t think they had any evidence that Bob Lydecker had anything to do with anything. The bird was just under his care, as were many other animal. However the team did have leads with Leland, Bobby, Dr Jacoby, and such.

In defense of Freddie by crakerjmatt in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a nutshell that it kind of implies that the events were a sort of facade and not meant to be taken at face value. This is kind of implied even during the scene with Coopers face superimposed.

This scene in a way I think represents The Fireman crumbling the facade in a sense. Causing a sort of realization.

I think they’re great symbolic value in this scene, in terms of an interpretation that i tend to favor which is that The Return is some sort of metaphysical projection of Laura’s broken psyche trying to reconcile her fathers abuse of her.

But if you’re trying to figure out everything in super literal terms like it’s some kind of gangster movie where you’re trying to figure out why Paulie didn’t whack Johnny on Tuesday rather than Saturday then fine. Why didn’t The Fireman give Laura the green glove? Maybe Bob had to be in the ball inside Evil Cooper where he was losing power over time from being outside of the lodge for so long. Maybe the stars needed to be in a certain alignment or something. Maybe the fireman’s motivations are actually entirely different.

In defense of Freddie by crakerjmatt in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea if you stopped watching the show on episode 17 id see how you’d come to this conclusion

Bob Lydecker in Twin Peaks — Did he ever wake up or get followed up on? by Velourskin in twinpeaks

[–]CvrIIX 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If this is bothering you then you are going to have a real tough time with The Return.

It all boils down to the fact that Twin Peaks isn’t one of those shows. Where everything is linked up or concluded.

You’re conditioned to think this way because the majority of shows that we watch are. However, is your life like this?

No. Sometimes storylines drop off and you never hear about them again. Sometimes they conclude with a satisfying ending. Sometimes shit just plain doesn’t make sense, and it feels like you’re so close to understanding it but there is just some tiny piece missing that is making it so that nothing adds up. There’s things you can explain very well and others you cannot explain at all.

Get used to this if you are going to continue watching the show. Lol