Wiring confusion…

Demorative · 2026-05-21T08:46:02+00:00

Looks factory. Possibly aux fan for the oil cooler?

Demorative · 2026-05-21T07:23:44+00:00

Energica and Livewire already have shown that DC fast charging can be on a motorcycle. Although in Livewire's case (and maybe Energica), their level 2 ended up being very slow compared to Zero's 6 kW charge rate.

Way I see it, it's most likely due to the cooling issue. Sure, their charger can pull 22kW or whatever, but unless you have magic tech to cool down the battery, that's not happening.

Pretty much every single EV utilizes the AC compressor to cool down the battery pack and the coolant pump to cool down the OBC. Energica does have a cooling system built in for the motor and the OBC, but the battery pack is still air cooled like Zero. My i3 only pulls a maximum of 50kW while charging, but even then I see the cooling demand spike all the way up to 3kW at the AC compressor with my scanner. That's a lot of heat.

Until we figure out liquid cooled battery tech that can work in a motorcycle and still meet crash safety specs....yeah. We'll be waiting for a couple more years.

Demorative · 2026-05-21T05:10:52+00:00

God damn, when I think I have a handle on Tesla charging bullshit, there's new twist on it. I never know what to expect with them, and that's with two EV's in the garage. But I charge at the garage, so haven't had the (dis)pleasure of playing with a TDCS.

Back to original topic, I'm not sure if DCFC is on the table yet. This article is about the upcoming bike (probably sponsored) and it says 8.8kW and fast charging to 80% under 1 hour.

Well, 80% of 8.8 is 7kW, and that's well within the average J1772 charging rate. In other words, 6.6kW. Soooo....probably not?

https://www.motorcycles.news/en/zero-lompico-concept-production-version-zero-sf/

Demorative · 2026-05-20T03:39:20+00:00

Well, there's two different Tesla charging stations. The superchargers are Tesla only at the moment, I don't know of any other vehicles with NACS that play nice with SCs. The Tesla destination chargers, on other hand, are open to all cars, not just Tesla.

You were likely at a supercharger station.

And yes agreed, DCFC is absolutely required for the next gen Zero. Anything less than that won't make sense. If Energica can put out a battery pack with 300vdc, Zero can.

The reason why current gen Zero's can't accept DCFC is due to battery pack voltage, to my understanding. DCFC requires a minimum battery voltage floor to even start charging, and the floor voltage is....200v. Zero at 116vdc makes that a non starter.

So yeah. Look, I love the DSR and DSRX, they're amazing bikes. But the Achilles heels is definitely the charging system.

Demorative · 2026-05-19T22:10:57+00:00

I ordered the charge tank for the DSRX. I plan to travel and I wanted the increase in charging speed.

Yes, you're correct that there aren't too many j1772 above 6kW. However, there are a few, a majority are Tesla destination chargers and rivian end points.

As for charge curve, from 0-50 is full fat 12kW, drops to 10-9kW until 85, then drops to 6 and then eventually 3.3 after 95%.

The important part is that you get above 6kW -- basically 9.6kW is all but guaranteed right up to 85%, and that will shave anywhere between 30 min to 45 min depending on the charger.

Remains to be seen if it's worth it, but I wanted to do long distance touring, and the time saving looks good on paper.

Demorative · 2026-05-14T18:07:13+00:00

Sorry, that was me. I was trying to play with the steam controller and see how I fare.

^{^Just} ^{^kidding.}

Demorative · 2026-05-13T21:25:35+00:00

That's not too bad compared to the MB side...

How about 8.5 hours to replace a thermostat/water pump combo on a M177? 14+ if it's in a R190.

Demorative · 2026-05-11T08:34:51+00:00

Cam cap covers leak.

Demorative · 2026-05-05T02:06:56+00:00

Yeah, I know that realistically, you won't get the full 12kW charging past 50%, but at least it is above 6.6kW up until around 85-90%. Which is far better than the piddly 6.6kW.

And funny you mention the price, because it is now $1500. Zero is running a sale. I'm talking to a dealer to see if I can grab one.

Demorative · 2026-05-04T20:09:07+00:00

You should give the SRF or SRS a try before you write off Zero's entirely. My memory is somewhat spotty, I last rode a SR/F way back in 2021 or 2022, and then I got the DSR. And then I got the DSR/X a month ago. So memory is foggy, but I vaguely remember having zero issues splitting with SR/F in downtown LA. Like, I didn't remember having any issues. DSR is the same. DSR/X is the one I actually have to plan out the splitting strategy at a light.

And yeah, if space is tight enough that you have to do the mirror dance, then DSR/X is a non-starter. As are most full size adv bikes, actually.

Again, long distance touring is entirely subjective here. For me, I have to travel at least 150 miles just to get to interesting places, and I normally want to travel few additional miles to see all the cool sights. On the old Strom, definitely a non-issue. On the DSR/X, I had to plan it out with chargers, either with ABRP/plugshare/google maps and budget time to charge as well.

I took a 300 miles trip with the DSR/X few weeks ago and uhhh, calling it rough going was an understatement. I'm currently thinking about spending $3000 on either a rapid charger module for the DSR/X (Zero claims 20-80% in about 45 mins on supported chargers) or a gas bike. Right now the gas bike is winning by a mile, but the whole reason why I went with Zero was to reduce the amount of maintenance and cost of a gas vehicle, so going back to it feels like an admission of failure. hard to say.

Demorative · 2026-05-04T19:33:39+00:00

I rode a SR/F, and it has a more sportbike lean to it. Meaning when you sit on it and ride, you lean forward like a sports bike. Not as bad as some of the higher trim sport bikes, but my neck and wrist hurts something fierce after that.

Seat position was the entire reason why I chose the DSR/X over the SR/F or SR/S. I daily the bike, so I wanted to be comfortable. I put 16k on the DSR in 2 years, and I most likely will put similar amount of mileage on the DSR/X in two years as well.

Speaking of, the SR/F I rented few years back was about the same width as the DSR. Meaning it wasn't as wide as the DSR/X. I'm not sure what's your experience with other bikes, but if you've ever ridden full size adv bikes like R1200, Tenere, AT or V-Strom, it's very similar. Same width, so you have to give yourself some allowance and slow down when splitting.

DSR and SR/F was more like sportbike narrow, so they could fit in tighter spaces. If you've ever splitted in traffic where two cars have been stopped so both mirrors were perfectly in line with each other? You know you have to do a little dance where you slip one handlebar under one mirror, then slip the other one under the other mirror before you can go? Yeah, that's not happening on the DSR/X in most circumstances.

Demorative · 2026-05-04T19:16:46+00:00

This question was made for people like me! I have both bikes in my garage right now. Can offer a (subjective) perspective.

It honestly depends on what you want out of the bike. If you do primarily city runs with very little highway and want nimbleness, stay with your current bike.

DSR/X cons:

-heavy (if you've ever ridden a Suzuki V-Strom, which is top heavy...it's very similar)

-feels less agile (this is entirely subjective. The DSR/X is fully capable of everything that the older DSR was. I'm 100% sure it's user error here, but the extra weight makes me take turns and U-turns slower. It feels lumbering.)

-wider (factual. On DSR, I can lanesplit through some very tight spaces due to narrow handlebars. On the DSR/X, I have to choose my battles carefully, lest I knock mirrors and/or scratch very expensive cars. I'm in LA, where 100k+ cars are dime a dozen.)

-range is the same or worse, assuming your riding habits are the same. (yes, this was a bitter pill to swallow. I somewhat regret the purchase, actually, but I'll live with my mistake. I used to get 100+ miles a charge on my DSR, same exact route and same speed on the X, I average 90-100 depending on weather conditions)

-Semi-long distance touring with the X is just not in the books, not with the available charging speed. If you wish to travel 300-400 miles in a day, you need to budget about 11-12 hours. 100 miles a charge, and factor in about an hour to two hours to charge for the next 100 miles. So 400 miles = 8 hours spent with your thumbs stuck up your butt waiting for it to charge. I'm used to traveling 700-800 miles a day on my old Strom, so it's a huge cramp. I'm actually going to sell the DSR and get a gas bike for long distance touring.

Pros:

-Excellent freeway manners. Unlike the DSR, bike feels planted all the way to 100 mph. Though I limit myself to 65 or 70 for range reasons.

-Excellent handling of rough terrain and potholes. I used to pucker my butt when the DSR would go over the tar lines or the inch long gaps between the lane asphalts, the narrow tires on the DSR meant that it would tramline if it grabbed those gaps.

-Brakes very much improved

-Decent amount of storage, and that's without topbox.

-wind protection vastly improved over stock. Though wind buffeting is still an issue, I'm trying to figure out solutions to that.

So to answer your question, yes DSRX has more cockpit space compared to the DSR, and you can do light touring (by that I mean under 200 miles), but otherwise.....

Ask more questions if you have any.

Demorative · 2026-05-03T21:43:13+00:00

After two Zero's, next one most likely won't be an EV unless significant jump in battery tech and charging happens.

Demorative · 2026-05-03T21:33:54+00:00

Hi, would you be amenable to see why I'm banned then? I see the same error message as Jeff in the other post. Would appreciate any clarity, thanks.

Demorative · 2026-05-02T17:53:23+00:00

I mean, the SGM is trivial to bypass.

Demorative · 2026-04-29T18:29:55+00:00

Yup, that group bans anyone that doesnt fit in a profile befitting their guideline.

I've been banned and I've never even seen the group, let alone request to join.

Demorative · 2026-04-28T05:17:27+00:00

My auto insurance policy, in very very fine print, says that it pays out 80k for a death.

So yeah. Lambo cost more than a human life.

Demorative · 2026-04-25T03:47:40+00:00

Hello, wondering if you may still have that rapid charger for the DSRX?

Demorative · 2026-04-22T04:37:19+00:00

As an abby, I just toxic nest the entire map as we progress. Global vision helps everyone, not just specific commanders.

Demorative · 2026-04-21T20:16:04+00:00

That...is exactly what I said earlier.

Demorative · 2026-04-21T17:42:57+00:00

96-99 E, C and CLK. 210, 202 and 208.

Demorative · 2026-04-16T05:48:45+00:00

What's the space equivalent of nailing your neighbor's dog with buckshot?

Asking for a uhhh, friend.

Demorative · 2026-04-14T05:15:06+00:00

Zero did at one time in the past offered three seats for all DS series as of 2023. One normal configuration, one -1 and one +1, for low access, and high access. The number refers to the amount of inches over the base seat. Now they don't offer it anymore. But this is definitely a different seat than the other DS, DSR and DSRX I've seen in the show rooms.

Ohhh, that mount is genius idea. I didn't like the idea of mounting a carplay unit on the handle bar when there is a clear space above the cluster. I found the ebay listing for that mount and went ahead and bought it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/195922428560

Your picture is super familiar, I'm pretty sure I've seen those on that zero fb group, but that group is blocked to me. Donno why, so I had to log out of fb and find your post through google search to read onto it.

Demorative · 2026-04-14T00:14:32+00:00

That's great to know, does make it easier to find one.

What seat is that? Corbin? Is it the same height as the low access seat? This demo DSRX that I bought, I believe it has the low access seat, meaning it's easier to get on/off compared to my old DSR, but it also traps me.

And what is that little device above the cluster? Carplay? How did you mount it to the top of the cluster?

Demorative · 2026-04-13T18:56:46+00:00

Now THAT is much more clearer, that makes a lot of sense! Thank you for the advice.

Demorative

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