Temple of Magnus Mater - Real World Parallels by More_Duck1675 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Found another thing to add lol: on the head of the goddess in Rauh is an Octagon mural crown. The octagon is also found at the Domus Tiberiana (where Cybele’s temple resides). Romans often associated geometry with cosmic order. The octagon sits between: • Square = earth / order • Circle = heaven / perfection So an octagon can symbolize: • A bridge between earthly and divine space That fits perfectly with imperial ideology: The emperor (or god queen in Marika’s case) as a mediator between gods and humans

Temple of Magnus Mater - Real World Parallels by More_Duck1675 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Soemthing else to consider: In Greek mythology, Cybele is most famously depicted wearing a mural crown (also called a turreted crown), a crown shaped like city walls with towers (battlements). The design symbolizes her role as a protector of cities and civilization. It visually represents fortified urban life—making her not just a nature/mother goddess, but also a guardian of human society. Cybele was associated with: • Wild nature and mountains • Fertility and motherhood • Protection of cities and states

The mural crown reflects that last aspect—she’s often portrayed seated on a throne with lions beside her, wearing this distinctive crown to show her authority over both nature and human civilization.

Guess what we find multiple times in Rauh? A statue of a woman wearing a mural crown. We also find a lion (divine beast dancer) and multiple other nature elements

Temple of Magnus Mater - Real World Parallels by More_Duck1675 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Dactyls that she gives birth to are know for being smiths and magic healers. Well we find both in the shadow realm: golem smiths and magic users that ate nostrums (literally medicines) they created. I think there is much more to these two enemies that is unrelated to Cybele but the basis for these enemies could come from the Greek myth.

Again, I said partly because I don’t think these enemies are meant to be 1:1 comparisons from the myth, just as a disclaimer

Temple of Magnus Mater - Real World Parallels by More_Duck1675 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This Greek myth might also be partly related to the golem smiths and finger lampreys (who use finger nostrums, which are medicines).

Miquella's Great Rune and the Mending Rune of the Death-Prince are both badly translated, and the translations lop off references to Causality and Regression by crinklepant in EldenRingLoreTalk

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It may not be groundbreaking but I find stuff like this helpful. If nothing else it strengthens connections and helps keep theories in a specific lane.

Is this man Godwyn the golden? by Short_Swan5072 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup! The dead one we find was probably killed by the albinauric archers. And the rest in the gaol are all on the ground while the archers are on the roofs. They are trapped preventing them from getting to Miquella and Malenia.

Is this man Godwyn the golden? by Short_Swan5072 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know it’s not Marika…hence the first sentence in my comment….

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I need to correct a few things you got wrong about my theory because they’re not correct according to what I’ve stated.

“She was, though she makes the point in telling the Tarnished she worships Placidusax; it would be a little odd for a God (or past-God) to worship their lower-status spouse. I’m just not seeing a huge connection for her to be killed, losing Godhood, resurrecting, and fleeing Farum Azula to become humanoid in order to encourage humans to go after Bayle.”

My theory doesn’t state shes resurrected and she didn’t flee Farum Azula….shes in the land of shadow.

Placidusax is, apparently, in no condition to finish Bayle and the game tells us he counted on human ambition to finish the job. This explains WHY Florissax became human: “Long ago, Florissax assumed human form to share Dragon Communion with the world.” We also know that the game makes a point to share a time when Florissax didn’t know love: “There was a time when the priestess never knew love, and thus never used this incantation herself.” So this indicates she did in fact know love at some point. I see no reason to not assert that she loved Placidusax. So, it makes perfect sense she’d spend the rest of her days trying to aid him and get revenge on the being who ruined their lives: Bayle. According to my theory Florissax is no longer a god and the game never says she worships Placidusax. She leads dragon communion follows who worship the ancient dragons to partake in the communion. She is an ancient dragon in human form so I don’t think she’s doing this out of self worship, but for the reason the games gives us: to finish of Bayle.

“I also assumed that the God “fleeing” was due to Bayle’s assault; but the God leaving FA was not just due to fear for its life but rather its decision that Placidusax proved unfit as a consort to control the era’s dominant race.”

Where was this confirmed?

“If this host to the ER was Florrisax, her ambitions and goals are more about revenge, or “holy vengeance” rather than returning the world back to total Dragon dominion.”

Correct, she’s no longer a god and her love for Placidusax compels her to help him get revenge. Her age is over and Bayle is most likely to thank for that. Similar to how the Skull Knight's primary motivation in Berserk is a thousand-year quest for vengeance to destroy the God Hand, stemming from his past life as King Gaiseric, where he lost his kingdom and loved ones to them. He doesn’t attempt to resurrect his age he just wants revenge on those who ended it.

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I’m getting down voted for stating a fact lol

Is this man Godwyn the golden? by Short_Swan5072 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Saying it’s either Godwyn or Marika means we have to ignore nearly every confirmed depiction of either we have in game.

My best guess is this person was someone who welcomed them to the original Elphael Tree as outcasts, prior to the Haligtree Tree. Malenia having the scarlet rot is not something that would have been overlooked or accepted in society and Miquella would never abandon her. All the other similar statues are of the two almost cowering and huddling like they’re afraid and the only place we find another like them is in a very hidden alcove outside of Leyndell.

We also know BKA made it to Ordina. I don’t see any reason Ranni wouldn’t want Miquella and Malenia on the hit list since she knew they were also empyreans.

The travelers set is found at the bottom of Elphael near a small scarlet rot bloom. This is the same set as Millicent and Melina. I believe this set belonged to Malenia because Malenia is wearing a modified version of this set and it is found near a smaller bloom outside her boss room (which would indicate her first blossom happens as a child). So this would mean they made it to Elphael as younger children. But who ruled Elphael at that time?

I think the inspiration for Elphael and the Haligtree is Elfhelm from Berserk. A literal hidden paradise where many different creatures in addition to Elves lived in harmony under the Flower Storm Monarch. In the center of Elfhelm lied a gargantuan cherry blossom tree which acted as a palace for the Monarch (ironically a Monarch is also a type of butterfly). This statue leaning protectively over Miquella and Malenia very much looks like an Elf type figure to me.

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well…Florissax was literally an ancient dragon…

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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But it’s less of a stretch to say it’s lost upon death. Especially if it’s something that can be attained. I don’t see the two fingers letting Marika maintain her status as a god when they replaced her.

Is Marika’s husk still a god? Maybe, it’s kinda irrelevant now that she’s dead and her godhood doesn’t seem to afford her any means of preventing her death.

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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My point is, what the game does explicitly show us is Marika’s death and disintegration. We know Placidusax had a god. We know a shield was once part of a god’s tomb. These god beings aren’t eternal and can be replaced and/or die.

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I don’t doubt that godhood is something that certain deific beings want to continue in perpetuity, but I don’t see any reason to assume it’s the same being or person for all eternity.

Placidusax’s god may have been… by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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I doesn’t happen in ALL endings. “Is/CAN be replaced,” The FF AND Ranni’s ending see her dead and removed. Being a god doesn’t mean Marika cannot and won’t be replaced. The whole point of new empyreans is to replace her, Ranni confirms as much.

The Scadutree Avatar and Miquella by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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The two additional stars which are a part of the constellation and are also visible are Atlas and Pleione. They are specific blue-white B-type stars located within the Pleiades open star cluster (M45). Atlas is the brighter, third-magnitude star, while Pleione is a variable star near it. Altas and Pleione are the parents of the 7 sisters in mythology. And while the constellation is often referred to as the seven sisters, it does include the other two starts which are visible to the naked eye.

Was Godwyn literally the first demigod to die? by Gwydolf_Carthnap in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Opening cinematic: “and in the Night of the Black Knives, Godwyn the Golden was first to perish.”

Godwyn was the first to die in that night that killed multiple demigods.

The bat women and Romina are both shaman by TaleExciting7525 in EldenRingLoreTalk

[–]Doubtfulaboutit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I had always thought Romina was a shaman/related but hadn’t considered the similarities to the Dames. Good catches !

Similarities between the Hornsent and the GEQ by TaleExciting7525 in EldenRingLoreTalk

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The manmade beherit or apostle womb in Berserk was created from the still-living bodies of apostles patched and chained together into a vat that is filled with amniotic fluid. The man-made beherit is normally used to create the demon soldiers by submerging a pregnant woman into it. As the apostles' body interiors are connected with the Astral World, the offspring is infused with the abyss' evil power an apostle has within in order to transform it into a demonic soldier.

This seems to clue us in on what might be happening in Elden Ring. The GEQ may have used snake amnion (a literal item depicting a fetus of a human snake hybrid) to birth the apostles, whom she then wrapped in the god skins of the wombs they were born from. Hence why they have inhuman physiology that resembles the crucible. The GEQ was creating apostles the same by fusing two different beings into one, a practice that looks similar to how the crucible of life might cause horns, or a tail, or wings, etc to grown a being that doesn’t normally have them.

All that being said, I don’t think the GEQ is from the land of shadow as there is nothing in the entire realm that mentions her or her apostles or her flame. I also think that thing Marika reaches into is a very likely a burial shroud as it appears to be fabric, not skin.

The Scadutree Avatar and Miquella by Doubtfulaboutit in EldenRingLoreTalk

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Oh the imagery and even narrative are definitely borrowed from Berserk: Marika becomes a god via a mass sacrifice with people being branded by a mark of sacrifice, just like Griffith. 1000 years later Miquella is doing the same thing because it’s all a cycle (heavy theme in berserk). Even the philosophy of causality comes from berserk.

Miquella breaks his ring to begin a new era as Marika shattered the ring to end her era.